Hi Lavazza,
One thing I like about this thread is that it allows us to expand the envelope of Ra's material. The down side of course is that much of it is only well informed (through both study and intuition) and well intentioned speculation. So please take everything I say as fodder for discussion, and not even necessarily my conviction on these topics. I welcome questions, opposing views, and challenges. As a group, I think we can reach a reasonable consensus. In time, we may take some of these ideas forward to Q'uo for discussion. With that caveat, I'll jump in...
First we need to explore what it really means to have Earth's 3D (or 4D) body activated. Don Elkins never seemed to be satisfied with his grasp of this topic either, so I realize that it is an abstract concept, but I am a simple man, so I try to simplify things to make them easier for me to grasp. To me, a planet's xD body is activated if it is receiving xD light and interacting with xD entities incarnate on that plane. The extent to which it is activated, is a function of the number of entities interacting with it. So today we have both Earth's 3D and 4D bodies active (as well as 1D and 2D obviously). Thusly, when Earth is no longer receiving 3D light and has no 3D entities on it, it's 3D body fades out and moves from an activated to a potentiated state.
As to where future 3D entities may come, I can speculate here as well. Notice that according to biologists, homo sapiens have been around in essentially this bodily configuration for around 150,000 years (i.e.,more than the 75,000 years of 3D existence). So it is plausible to think that the current form could actually "devolve" back into a 2D form simultaneous with the DAEs evolving into 4D. This is something that never occurred to me until you asked the question, but I see it as plausible as the complete elimination of homo sapiens and the future re-evolution of a similar bipedal form. We can explore this fascinating concept in greater detail if you are you'd like.
Here again, I'm working without a net, but my instinct is to think that the entities themselves (once fully evolved to 4D form, not DAEs) will be able to cloak their existence from 3D beings through thought. As to the structures, etc. of their existence, I have a few possible solutions. It is possible that 1) they will be able to cloak entire cities that are made of 1D materials, 2) they will be able to effectively hide the entrances to those cities, or 3) that they will be made of 4D material that is simply not visible to 3D entities. My inclination is toward #2, but I'm confident that it would be fairly easy for a 4D entity to control a 3D entity's mind if it were necessary to stay within the Law of Confusion. It does make sense that these techniques would need to be learned.
Following on the discussion about 3D Earth going into potentiation, I see the full activation of Earth's 4D body as happening through a combination of the increasing 4D light available and a pulling force cause by the DAEs beginning to interact with it - sort of pulling it into full activation. I think that there are several examples around this site of DAEs that are presently (and unknowingly) interacting with Earth's increasingly space/time manifest 4D body. Both fairyfarmgirl (in post #13 above) and akhtu among others recently described examples (to me at least) of these interactions. I think that these experiences would be fascinating to explore and compare in more detail on this thread, if we consider them as experiences of DAE's on the 4D Earth. (By the way, yes I am saying that I believe fairyfarmgirl, akhtu, Eddie, you Lavazza, and others are DAEs.) What you hear in these discussions are people that occupy the same space/time, but are clearly on a different "plane".
Love and Light,
3D Sunset
One thing I like about this thread is that it allows us to expand the envelope of Ra's material. The down side of course is that much of it is only well informed (through both study and intuition) and well intentioned speculation. So please take everything I say as fodder for discussion, and not even necessarily my conviction on these topics. I welcome questions, opposing views, and challenges. As a group, I think we can reach a reasonable consensus. In time, we may take some of these ideas forward to Q'uo for discussion. With that caveat, I'll jump in...
(10-06-2009, 09:03 PM)Lavazza Wrote: So, what I'm wondering about next is this concept of Earth becoming abandoned, and eventually re inhabited with 3rd density entities. Also the idea of 4th density learning to become invisible to said 3rd density entities. What exactly does this mean to you?
I take it... the "abandoning" by 3rd density is the natural die-off that we've already covered ground with. Will then 3rd density evolve from 2nd density in a similar fashion that has already happened with our 3rd density? I.e. certain groups of apes (or maybe some other species this time) will become more and more aware, and via Darwinian evolution become self-aware beings? Or will 3rd density return to Earth again by some other means?
First we need to explore what it really means to have Earth's 3D (or 4D) body activated. Don Elkins never seemed to be satisfied with his grasp of this topic either, so I realize that it is an abstract concept, but I am a simple man, so I try to simplify things to make them easier for me to grasp. To me, a planet's xD body is activated if it is receiving xD light and interacting with xD entities incarnate on that plane. The extent to which it is activated, is a function of the number of entities interacting with it. So today we have both Earth's 3D and 4D bodies active (as well as 1D and 2D obviously). Thusly, when Earth is no longer receiving 3D light and has no 3D entities on it, it's 3D body fades out and moves from an activated to a potentiated state.
As to where future 3D entities may come, I can speculate here as well. Notice that according to biologists, homo sapiens have been around in essentially this bodily configuration for around 150,000 years (i.e.,more than the 75,000 years of 3D existence). So it is plausible to think that the current form could actually "devolve" back into a 2D form simultaneous with the DAEs evolving into 4D. This is something that never occurred to me until you asked the question, but I see it as plausible as the complete elimination of homo sapiens and the future re-evolution of a similar bipedal form. We can explore this fascinating concept in greater detail if you are you'd like.
(10-06-2009, 09:03 PM)Lavazza Wrote: Then the learning by 4th density to become invisible. I have trouble with this idea, unless it is explained by different dimensions of reality or space/time? At this point on earth we have a large population with many cities and other obvious things. Is it that we learn to make every trace of our existence invisible like a super-hero would, or is it that we actually exist in a different realty? But if the former, what is there to learn exactly? I am obviously quite confused.
Here again, I'm working without a net, but my instinct is to think that the entities themselves (once fully evolved to 4D form, not DAEs) will be able to cloak their existence from 3D beings through thought. As to the structures, etc. of their existence, I have a few possible solutions. It is possible that 1) they will be able to cloak entire cities that are made of 1D materials, 2) they will be able to effectively hide the entrances to those cities, or 3) that they will be made of 4D material that is simply not visible to 3D entities. My inclination is toward #2, but I'm confident that it would be fairly easy for a 4D entity to control a 3D entity's mind if it were necessary to stay within the Law of Confusion. It does make sense that these techniques would need to be learned.
(10-06-2009, 09:03 PM)Lavazza Wrote: This also raises additional confusion on my part of what Quo and friends mean when they say that 4th density Earth already exists along side 3rd density Earth. Metaphor? Or extra dimension? Or... fancy way of saying we are getting 4th density light at this time?
Following on the discussion about 3D Earth going into potentiation, I see the full activation of Earth's 4D body as happening through a combination of the increasing 4D light available and a pulling force cause by the DAEs beginning to interact with it - sort of pulling it into full activation. I think that there are several examples around this site of DAEs that are presently (and unknowingly) interacting with Earth's increasingly space/time manifest 4D body. Both fairyfarmgirl (in post #13 above) and akhtu among others recently described examples (to me at least) of these interactions. I think that these experiences would be fascinating to explore and compare in more detail on this thread, if we consider them as experiences of DAE's on the 4D Earth. (By the way, yes I am saying that I believe fairyfarmgirl, akhtu, Eddie, you Lavazza, and others are DAEs.) What you hear in these discussions are people that occupy the same space/time, but are clearly on a different "plane".
Love and Light,
3D Sunset