10-06-2009, 01:28 PM
Hi Lavazza,
Just a couple of points of clarification of my earlier statement for the purpose of ensuring that I was not misunderstood. I realize that a couple of my points are slightly at odds with your perspective, but that is as it should be, and we are probably 98% in agreement.
Thanks for the reference, when I had read that previously, I thought Carla was identifying three categories of wanderers more so than timeframes. But I understand your reference now.
You are right of course, I was pointing to the low hanging fruit as it were, since Wanderers come with the primary agenda of awakening and adding to positive planetary polarization. Most others incarnate with the agenda of learning and evolving first and awakening when the time is right. But you are absolutely right that any that caller, will double the Call.
There are records that would indicate that some previous civilizations (Atlantis, Mu, Lumeria, etc.) may have had far greater technology than we have today. It is clear that civilizations and even spirituality follow cycles, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that those cycles followed the 3D minor cycles as well. So perhaps it is cause, perhaps it is effect and perhaps it is coincidence. My suspicion is that it is a little of each.
Perhaps we are getting wrapped around the end/start of 3D/4D again, but I really did mean 3D entities. My point being that even if no new 3D entities are born after 2012, then those that are incarnate still need to live out their lives. Your time frame stated that the last 3D entity would die around 2130, which presupposes that our current 3D maximum lifespan (around 120 years) will hold sway after 2012. I was just making the point that in a significantly more harmonious environment, that lifespan could easily extend to several hundred years, even for native 3D entities. I expect that the DAEs (Dual Activated Entities, I'm moving to shorthand), would have lifespans that could exceed a thousand years, if they chose to remain as DAEs. As I understand it, in 4D and beyond, the process of death and rebirth is viewed more like trading in an old car for a new one once it starts wearing out. Certainly death and rebirth have much less significance in a world without the veil.
A difference of opinion. You see a single definitive line separating 3D and 4D, I see a blending of colors going from Yellow/Green today to Green/Yellow in a few years, to increasingly greener green until the yellow attenuates completely in a few hundred years. To me, we are currently living during a time when both 3D and 4D work can be done. That is to say that the 4D sun is rising before the 3D sun has completely set. (For what it's worth, here's my complete analogy.. I think of it as the predawn 4D light filling the sky just before the 4D sun breaks the eastern horizon, occurring simultaneously as the 3D sun is just passing beneath the western horizon. There will be a brief instant - around 12/21/2012 - when both and neither sun(s) are actually visible. After that moment, it's primarily a 4D world, even though 3D entities continue to exist until their light is all gone.)
My main point though is that the time is ripe for 4D work to begin, and I do think that it can be by those DAEs incarnate today.
With this said, I'm ready to move on... Shall we?
3D Sunset
Just a couple of points of clarification of my earlier statement for the purpose of ensuring that I was not misunderstood. I realize that a couple of my points are slightly at odds with your perspective, but that is as it should be, and we are probably 98% in agreement.
(10-06-2009, 12:17 PM)Lavazza Wrote: The first, second and third wave of wanderers was something I picked up from an interview with Carla. In reading the text again I see that my memory has fudged the dates just a bit. Here is a quote
Thanks for the reference, when I had read that previously, I thought Carla was identifying three categories of wanderers more so than timeframes. But I understand your reference now.
(10-06-2009, 12:17 PM)Lavazza Wrote: I would only comment on your above paragraph that I do not think that the Wanderers are the only ones who are important when it comes to waking up and adding to the call. Any entity who does so is of aid.
You are right of course, I was pointing to the low hanging fruit as it were, since Wanderers come with the primary agenda of awakening and adding to positive planetary polarization. Most others incarnate with the agenda of learning and evolving first and awakening when the time is right. But you are absolutely right that any that caller, will double the Call.
(10-06-2009, 12:17 PM)Lavazza Wrote: Consider our comparatively primitive standards of life for at least 74,800 of those years. We've only enjoyed such luxuries for 0.25% of our major cycle.
There are records that would indicate that some previous civilizations (Atlantis, Mu, Lumeria, etc.) may have had far greater technology than we have today. It is clear that civilizations and even spirituality follow cycles, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that those cycles followed the 3D minor cycles as well. So perhaps it is cause, perhaps it is effect and perhaps it is coincidence. My suspicion is that it is a little of each.
(10-06-2009, 12:17 PM)Lavazza Wrote: You mean 3D/4D D.A. entities, right? Since 3d-only entities will be phased out after the end of the cycle.
Perhaps we are getting wrapped around the end/start of 3D/4D again, but I really did mean 3D entities. My point being that even if no new 3D entities are born after 2012, then those that are incarnate still need to live out their lives. Your time frame stated that the last 3D entity would die around 2130, which presupposes that our current 3D maximum lifespan (around 120 years) will hold sway after 2012. I was just making the point that in a significantly more harmonious environment, that lifespan could easily extend to several hundred years, even for native 3D entities. I expect that the DAEs (Dual Activated Entities, I'm moving to shorthand), would have lifespans that could exceed a thousand years, if they chose to remain as DAEs. As I understand it, in 4D and beyond, the process of death and rebirth is viewed more like trading in an old car for a new one once it starts wearing out. Certainly death and rebirth have much less significance in a world without the veil.
(10-06-2009, 12:17 PM)Lavazza Wrote: I think certainly we are starting to feel the effects of 4th density as it nears it's sunrise, but I do not think it has actually started, or will start officially until 3rd density is officially finished. Ra spoke of the 'galactic clock' as regards the start and end of cycles, which I think implies a good deal of precision. Our agreement on this is not really necessary to continue this D.A. discussion though.
A difference of opinion. You see a single definitive line separating 3D and 4D, I see a blending of colors going from Yellow/Green today to Green/Yellow in a few years, to increasingly greener green until the yellow attenuates completely in a few hundred years. To me, we are currently living during a time when both 3D and 4D work can be done. That is to say that the 4D sun is rising before the 3D sun has completely set. (For what it's worth, here's my complete analogy.. I think of it as the predawn 4D light filling the sky just before the 4D sun breaks the eastern horizon, occurring simultaneously as the 3D sun is just passing beneath the western horizon. There will be a brief instant - around 12/21/2012 - when both and neither sun(s) are actually visible. After that moment, it's primarily a 4D world, even though 3D entities continue to exist until their light is all gone.)
My main point though is that the time is ripe for 4D work to begin, and I do think that it can be by those DAEs incarnate today.
With this said, I'm ready to move on... Shall we?
3D Sunset