(10-08-2011, 07:41 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: lol. or is it simply your projection?Individuation is a process, but you were treating it as some example of an end, and through such an idea showing how your circle dynamic worked in such an illusory manner. It's almost as if you are still trying to find excuses to legitimize your circle idea by recontextualizing the process of development to suit that purpose. That's objectionable.
Jung explicitly related the fact that individuation was not an end, and yet you chose to relate it that way. Is that not willful ignorance? We can treat everything we want as we want it to be, that is our right, but there is a different concept entirely than the picture you keep painting.
"Fear of self-sacrifice lurks deep in every ego, and this fear is often only [of] the precariously controlled demand of the unconscious forces to burst out in full strength. No one who strives for selfhood (individuation) is spared this dangerous passage, for that which is feared also belongs to the wholeness of the self -- the sub-human, or supra-human world of psychic ‘dominants’ (archetypes) from which the ego originally emancipated itself with enormous effort, and then only partially, for the sake of a more or less illusory freedom. This liberation is certainly a very necessary and very heroic undertaking, but it represents nothing final: it is merely the creation of a subject, who, in order to find fulfillment, has still to be confronted by an object. This [object], at first sight, would appear to be the world, which is swelled out with projections for that very purpose. Here we seek and find our difficulties, here we seek and find our enemy, here we seek and find what is dear and precious to us; and it is comforting to know that all evil and all good is to be found out there, in the visible object, where it can be conquered, punished, destroyed, or enjoyed. But nature herself does not allow this paradisal state of innocence to continue for ever. There are, and always have been, those who cannot help but see that the world and its experiences are in the nature of a symbol, and that it really reflects something that lies hidden in the subject himself, in his own trans-subjective reality."
"The process which Jung called "individuation", repeats in a never-ending cycle leading the person to every greater degrees of wholeness"
"A person cannot grow toward wholeness without reconciling the polarities of consciousness and the unconscious"
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