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    09-20-2011, 01:34 PM (This post was last modified: 09-20-2011, 03:17 PM by native.)
    (09-19-2011, 04:27 PM)unity100 Wrote: that means, the 'present' you talk about can only happen near that event horizon - near intelligent infinity, when EVERYTHING that can happen in all universes and parallel realities have happened and merged.

    anything under that, there are infinite amount of things happening. so, there can be no 'present'.

    I don't see anyone speaking about the eternal present here. We're talking about finity. Finity is the present moment, whereas the experience of infinity is the eternal present and all finites can be known.

    The greater teaching is that the present moment experience (finity) is not entirely 'less than' the eternal present (infinity) because they are a part of each other. Infinity is made up of finites, and finity allows infinity to exist. You are either experiencing an infinite state of awareness, or you are experiencing a part of it. In meditation you experience a heightened state of being as you embrace the present which is a part of infinity, because you enter into a type of reciprocal realm of acknowledgement with infinity. So infinity seems to flow through you. Even in normal waking reality you can have surreal experiences just by focusing on the moment. I have had moments of clarity related to the present moment and it is always accompanied by a state of bliss and a displacement in time where you feel a greater eternal awareness. That is contact with intelligent infinity, which I know you'll disagree with. So if the present is directly a part of infinity, anything is possible.

    65.12 - This vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment.

    In the above, Ra is clearly stating that we exist in the present. We have a 'past' and a 'future' because third density exists as a cycle of completion as the octave does. It seems to be a unique density because of the choice, and the infinite possibilities of reality creation. The higher densities can look into third density because they exist outside of the illusion of choice. In the higher densities you either exist in the positive or negative continuum, or at a point where polarity unifies. This variability trait of third density is what is referred to as 'past' and 'future' involving possibility/probability outcomes and the realities that they create.

    As I understand it, in the higher densities you have your incarnational experiences themselves for the purpose of learning, but there is no 'past' or 'future' because you exist outside of the realm of choice, and you are always moving forward in your present moment experience. So there is no reality creation in the higher densities as much as it is simply a path of learning and refinement. Again, third density is variable and unpredictable because of the freedom of choice, hence an infinite realm of 'past' and 'future' probabilities, but everything always hinges on the present as stated above in 65.12. Learning and interaction in the higher densities 'remains graven in the present', because it is constant refinement of the choice..there is no movement in another direction other than the potential of switching from negative to positive. You may lose polarity because of mistakes, but you are always moving forward in the present. As I've said in other threads using Ra's own quotes, once you make the choice you step through the gate to the present. Ra uses those words because the choice involves leaving the illusion where you have the potential to be swayed in either direction, and you move into a density where the choice begins to be refined, i.e. a path of learning engraved solely in a more refined present awareness. The higher densities aren't illusory.

    Irregardless, even in third density there is only the now because of finite experience. Manyness. The present moment, call it what you will. Within the illusion of third density, at any moment you can make the choice and leave the illusion at the time of harvest. One of the central philosophical messages from Ra was there there is only the now, and at any moment we can choose our direction. Hope does nothing because it places your intention outside of the present. You aren't creating anything with hope, rather you are waiting for something to happen but it never will.

    (09-19-2011, 10:15 PM)Ruth Wrote: So I held some ice chips up to her lips, and found some lip balm somewhere (I have no idea where it appeared from) and put it on her lips. I don't remember leaving her, but did wake up in my body in my room the next morning. When I was finally able to see her that afternoon, she thanked me for visiting her the night before. I was too stunned to tell her the real story. In fact, I didn't tell her for at least another 20 years.
    Very cool. So what did she say?

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    Waking up "out of body" - by Bring4th_Austin - 07-26-2011, 11:54 AM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by kia - 07-26-2011, 12:18 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Bring4th_Austin - 07-26-2011, 12:40 PM
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    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Bring4th_Austin - 07-26-2011, 06:56 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Meerie - 07-28-2011, 09:26 AM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Nyu - 07-26-2011, 06:38 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by zenmaster - 07-26-2011, 08:16 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Bring4th_Austin - 07-26-2011, 08:27 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by zenmaster - 07-26-2011, 09:02 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Bring4th_Austin - 07-27-2011, 11:21 AM
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    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by zenmaster - 07-28-2011, 09:19 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Bring4th_Austin - 07-29-2011, 01:03 AM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by zenmaster - 07-30-2011, 11:30 AM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Bring4th_Austin - 07-30-2011, 04:07 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by zenmaster - 07-30-2011, 05:16 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Bring4th_Austin - 07-31-2011, 04:08 AM
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    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by SomaticDreams - 07-26-2011, 09:24 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Brittany - 07-27-2011, 06:47 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by unity100 - 07-28-2011, 02:14 AM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Bring4th_Austin - 07-28-2011, 04:52 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by unity100 - 07-31-2011, 08:02 AM
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    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Aaron - 08-01-2011, 10:35 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Bring4th_Austin - 08-03-2011, 03:28 AM
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    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Bring4th_Austin - 08-28-2011, 10:15 PM
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    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by 3DMonkey - 08-29-2011, 08:28 AM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by zenmaster - 08-29-2011, 09:17 AM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by native - 08-29-2011, 01:53 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Bring4th_Austin - 08-29-2011, 01:47 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by 3DMonkey - 08-29-2011, 03:07 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Bring4th_Austin - 08-29-2011, 09:23 PM
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    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Bring4th_Austin - 08-29-2011, 09:34 PM
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    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Bring4th_Austin - 08-29-2011, 10:59 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by 3DMonkey - 08-29-2011, 10:22 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by native - 08-29-2011, 10:49 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by 3DMonkey - 08-29-2011, 11:07 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by zenmaster - 08-29-2011, 11:41 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by native - 08-30-2011, 10:14 AM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by zenmaster - 08-30-2011, 08:33 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by native - 08-30-2011, 11:54 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by zenmaster - 08-31-2011, 07:57 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Bring4th_Austin - 09-01-2011, 06:23 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by zenmaster - 09-01-2011, 08:24 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by native - 08-29-2011, 11:37 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by 3DMonkey - 08-30-2011, 07:55 AM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by 3DMonkey - 08-30-2011, 11:04 AM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Bring4th_Austin - 08-30-2011, 12:21 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by native - 08-30-2011, 02:03 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by 3DMonkey - 08-30-2011, 02:17 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by 3DMonkey - 08-30-2011, 01:30 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Bring4th_Austin - 08-30-2011, 08:27 PM
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    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by native - 08-30-2011, 02:42 PM
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    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Ruth - 09-17-2011, 09:14 AM
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    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Ruth - 09-17-2011, 11:11 AM
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    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Bring4th_Austin - 09-17-2011, 04:04 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by unity100 - 09-17-2011, 04:32 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Bring4th_Austin - 09-17-2011, 04:40 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by unity100 - 09-17-2011, 04:58 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Bring4th_Austin - 09-19-2011, 02:59 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by unity100 - 09-19-2011, 04:27 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by native - 09-20-2011, 01:34 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by zenmaster - 09-20-2011, 08:23 PM
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    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by native - 09-17-2011, 05:29 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Ruth - 09-17-2011, 11:48 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by Ruth - 09-19-2011, 10:15 PM
    RE: Waking up "out of body" - by native - 09-21-2011, 12:33 AM
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