In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

Moderator Note: The following is a dialog between Whitefeather and me that originally transpired on another thread. In an attempt to merge that discussion with this thread, since it was the same topic, I accidentally merged the posts into 1 big post. There's no way to undo my mistake, so I will just insert a label so you can see which comments are mine and which are Whitefeather's.

Bring4th_Monica

When we take food in, we take energy forcefully from another life in order to sustain ours, whether the life we take the energy from be an animal, a vegetal or even a mineral.

I don't think this is true of live plant foods. As one who is pursuing a predominately raw plant foods diet, I perceive the plants' life force as blending with my own, rather than me taking the life force from it.

In sexuality, there is again a transfer of energy of another kind.

Sexual energy transfers can be either STS or STO.

I would not say that these 51% are matching our level of consciousness in the sense that it is virtually impossible to be more that 52% STO while surviving in 3D as human beings

I'm surprised by this. Are you, then, saying that all of us who are eligible for graduation are basically the same in terms of polarity?

I think there are many among us, particularly those masters who've walked the Earth, such as Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, Gandhi, Yogananda, etc., and maybe even countless unnamed people who give of themselves selflessly, whose polarity is well beyond the threshold.

since our metabolism itself is mainly an STS activity and so is our immune system.

I assume that you think the metabolism is STS because it consumes nutrients? And the immune system STS because it fights off invading bacteria, viruses, etc.?

This is an interesting proposition. My understanding is that bacteria, viruses, etc. are 2D entities, and therefore devoid of polarity (although they can certainly be used for STS purposes, by being manipulated by higher STS entities). I don't think the natural bodily processes are inherently polarized. I don't think metabolism is inherently STS, although the choice of foods might be.

About the right info from channeling, i would tend to see it as relative to the cultural background and general understanding of the channeler. Also, channeled messages get distorted when they have to take the vehicle of words in order to reach our minds down here, taking into account our personal, cultural, societal and linguistic distortions.

I agree with this!

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When we take food in, we take energy forcefully from another life in order to sustain ours, whether the life we take the energy from be an animal, a vegetal or even a mineral.

I don't think this is true of live plant foods. As one who is pursuing a predominately raw plant foods diet, I perceive the plants' life force as blending with my own, rather than me taking the life force from it.

since our metabolism itself is mainly an STS activity and so is our immune system.

I assume that you think the metabolism is STS because it consumes nutrients? And the immune system STS because it fights off invading bacteria, viruses, etc.?

This is an interesting proposition. My understanding is that bacteria, viruses, etc. are 2D entities, and therefore devoid of polarity (although they can certainly be used for STS purposes, by being manipulated by higher STS entities). I don't think the natural bodily processes are inherently polarized. I don't think metabolism is inherently STS, although the choice of foods might be.

Whitefeather

Greetings Monica,

The polemic between vegans, vegetarians and omnivores is much heated and, I do not wish to ignite one even when there is much to be expressed upon the subject. I would like to stress that I feel very respectfully for each and all positions.

Food however represents one main energy intake for survival of the body in 3D and therefore, it furthers our awareness to ponder about the subject.

I have myself been vegetarian and vegan in my early years until I realized that the only food freely given is the flesh of fruits, not even the seeds nor the grains or leaves. Plants are not given as food. Their life force has to be taken by force in order to support the life of entities from a density above them.
However, the flesh of fruits is like a gift which function is: 1/ to protect the precious seeds guarantying the survival of the specie and, 2/ to secure the possible traveling of the seed when the fruit if taken away for eating.
So, it is a temporary 'cloth' for the seeds and, as such, will be appealing in order for being later eaten for the releasing of the seeds.

There is one thing though about food, which is not much discussed and, that is the vibratory level of each kind of food. I think that this is more important to us in term of our path of spiritual evolution/creation.

It may exist a kind of agreement from densities below, to feed densities above, in order to allow the growing towards a greater consciousness. In that regard, have you ever pondered whether we are the end of the food chain?

In each density, an STS ''activity'' is marked by a 'devouring' sort of activity, compared to an STO activity which would be a 'radiant' sort of activity.
That was what I meant when I mentioned about our digestive system and our immune system.

Take care,
and enjoy your food . That is the best we can do.
L/L
W.

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Bring4th_Monica

I have myself been vegetarian and vegan in my early years until I realized that the only food freely given is the flesh of fruits, not even the seeds nor the grains or leaves. Plants are not given as food. Their life force has to be taken by force in order to support the life of entities from a density above them.

However, the flesh of fruits is like a gift which function is: 1/ to protect the precious seeds guarantying the survival of the specie and, 2/ to secure the possible traveling of the seed when the fruit if taken away for eating.
So, it is a temporary 'cloth' for the seeds and, as such, will be appealing in order for being later eaten for the releasing of the seeds.

There is one thing though about food, which is not much discussed and, that is the vibratory level of each kind of food. I think that this is more important to us in term of our path of spiritual evolution/creation.

Taking the life of an animal is definitely by force. The animal is running in terror in a vain attempt to save its life.

In contrast, when I harvest lettuce from my garden, I perceive its life force as being radiant and happy to merge with mine. I don't think its life force has exited its body when I pull it out of the ground, as the soul of a deer exits its body when the bullet kills its body in a bloody act of violence.

The lettuce sits happily in my frig until I eat it, at which time its life force merges with mine which I can only imagine might be similar to those dwelling in a SMC.

The carrots and potatoes are definitely still alive. They continue to grow sprouts until their life force merges with mine.

Seeds and nuts, imo, are dormant powerhouses of life force. The might lie dormant for months or years, but then when I soak them, their life force is activated.

I agree about the eating of fruits being karma-free, but I think the same is true of all fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds, when consumed raw. Partaking of the life-force that is all around us is like breathing the air and drinking clean water. It's life!

The slaughter of an animal against its will is death. It's violence. I think that if a soul is sentient enough to have free will, it won't incarnate into the body of a carrot. It'll choose an animal body so it can run for its life. I think that's a clue.

It may exist a kind of agreement from densities below, to feed densities above, in order to allow the growing towards a greater consciousness. In that regard, have you ever pondered whether we are the end of the food chain?

Yes I have, actually, and I think we are not at the end of the food chain. The Earth is. We feed the Earth when our bodies decompose.

In each density, an STS ''activity'' is marked by a 'devouring' sort of activity, compared to an STO activity which would be a 'radiant' sort of activity.
That was what I meant when I mentioned about our digestive system and our immune system.

OK I think I understand what you're saying. In that respect, I would say that the eating of live foods is radiant, while the bloody slaughter of a sentient being is devouring. I'm not sure how it applies on a microscopic level. Is a cancerous growth radiant because it's growing? Or devouring because it consumes healthy tissue?

I guess I'm still not sure I agree with the very premise of applying STS/STO concepts to 2D lifeforms (bacteria etc.). Our bodies have more bacteria than they do cells, which is many trillions. We are walking eco-systems.

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Whitefeather

Hi Monica,
Nice to read from you.

when I harvest lettuce from my garden,

Wow, you are lucky!

I perceive its life force as being radiant and happy to merge with mine. I don't think its life force has exited its body when I pull it out of the ground, as the soul of a deer exits its body when the bullet kills its body in a bloody act of violence.

I agree. The life force of the lettuce is only fading away slowly from the moment it is taken away from its nourishing ground. :-/ And it is only when it is actually under our teeth that it starts to suffer and die, not very differently than when a tiger eats a live animal.
(Ouch! Do'nt shoot the messenger! I have not invented the devouring/eating system! Actually, I think that I may have come down here to find a kind of solution to it.)

The carrots and potatoes are definitely still alive. They continue to grow sprouts until their life force merges with mine.

Oh yes, they are trying hard to survive until the last second.

I agree about the eating of fruits being karma-free, but I think the same is true of all fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds, when consumed raw.

I am not sure about this karma thing. IMO, it is a matter of balance. We eat (same meaning than 'devour') food which is an STS activity and then, we are given opportunities to balance the eating by endeavoring in STO activities. For our harvest, 51% STO will do the trick, says Ra!

Partaking of the life-force that is all around us is like breathing the air and drinking clean water. It's life!

I agree that everything is alive, every thing. However, water is a liquid crystal which life force is not taken from it when we drink it. We do not take life from air either when we breath it; however, we imprint both with our thoughts & feelings (see the work of Masaru Emoto and the memory of water). If our thoughts and feelings are high enough in positive good energy, how do you think that it affects the environment when people and animals drink the water and breath the air? We need to be aware that the air and the water upon the Earth are the same however they are in constant circulation, cleansing and distributing ... wherever they go. They are cleansing and distributing the thoughts and the feelings which we pour into them. And, by our thoughts and feelings, we create, we co-create.

The slaughter of an animal against its will is death. It's violence.

And the lettuces, aren't we acting against their will or do we ask their consent before eating them raw?
As a shaman, I have seldomly see a life which wants to be eaten or, to perish, so far and, this includes plants. We have to accept that we kill in order to eat, We have to be aware of what we do. Because if we are not aware of the everyday killing of life, how can we ever do something about it? It is about awareness and responsibility.

I think that if a soul is sentient enough to have free will, it won't incarnate into the body of a carrot. It'll choose an animal body so it can run for its life. I think that's a clue.

The lettuce would run for its life if it only could!

It may exist a kind of agreement from densities below, to feed densities above, in order to allow the growing towards a greater consciousness. In that regard, have you ever pondered whether we are the end of the food chain?

Yes I have, actually, and I think we are not at the end of the food chain. The Earth is. We feed the Earth when our bodies decompose.

The Earth is the Logos (or octave) above us. My concern about food chain is about densities above us. As a principle, on Earth, life feeds from the density below, meaning that we are food for someone. I just wonder what it is that they 'eat' from us.

In each density, an STS ''activity'' is marked by a 'devouring' sort of activity, compared to an STO activity which would be a 'radiant' sort of activity.
That was what I meant when I mentioned about our digestive system and our immune system.

OK I think I understand what you're saying. In that respect, I would say that the eating of live foods is radiant, while the bloody slaughter of a sentient being is devouring. I'm not sure how it applies on a microscopic level. Is a cancerous growth radiant because it's growing? Or devouring because it consumes healthy tissue?

I guess I'm still not sure I agree with the very premise of applying STS/STO concepts to 2D lifeforms (bacteria etc.). Our bodies have more bacteria than they do cells, which is many trillions. We are walking eco-systems.

The microscopic level, viruses, cancers, bacterias as well as our cells, constitute the Logos below us. Therefore, in 'their world', so to say, they all interact between one another. We, as human beings are their host in the same manner as Earth is our host.
In a manner similar than that of our interaction with Earth, where we can help or hinder the well being of the Earth, the microscopic level can also help or hinder our well being. The 'planetary system' of the microscopic level is represented by our chakras.

I hope it is not too long.

Take care
Love & Light & Life,
W.