The Detuning of Session 17 and Ra's True Intentions Regarding 2011 - Part II

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what difference does it make.

It makes the same difference as between receiving a garbled message in a voicemail box, and receiving another message entirely due to the lines being crossed. I am drawing from personal experience here. There was a time where there were about 6 - 8 people in a room together. I was one of them, and another was an experienced trance channel, although she was not in trance at the time. What happened was an entity simultaneously broadcasted a brief message into each of our minds, and we compared notes. Point is, they did not all match up exactly. A few were exceedingly close. A couple sort of in the ball park. And a couple who claimed they "felt something" but did not get a specific message.

if you propose distortion of communication as such, you have to propose it for any kind of 'transitory' information. ranging from nazis to rasputin to atlantis to maldek destruction to anything else.

I concur. Therefore, if the hypothesis proposed here is true, that forces us to accept something that might be difficult to swallow. That would be the possibility that the Ra material is, in any way, "better" or "more special" than any other body of channeled material out there. I admit, this would be difficult for me to accept. However, you and I both have been arguing that people need to be willing to accept things that are uncomfortable for them in order to grow. So maybe this is that thing, for us.

that basically would totally invalidate everything in the material except 'we are all one'.

Not necessarily, if some additional principle could be discerned by which to more accurately ascertain each statement's validity.

For example, one could create a body of fundamental statements based from the material that have 100% coherence, and use that as a "yardstick" for evaluation of more convoluted statements.

In addition, I have for some time been attempting to draw more attention to the "garbage in / garbage out" aspect of channeling with respect to the query structure. These comments have been largely downplayed, ignored, or attacked by many other forum members. Including at one point you, yourself, seemed pretty annoyed that I kept pushing the issue on multiple threads.

Bottom line is, I believe there is an entire science which could be made out of how to construct a query in order to maximize the value of the reply. So this in my mind continues to be a pink elephant in the room, no matter what conclusions are being drawn about harvest.

also totally invalidating any need to think on the quotes, any kind of discussion over them, any information that is the result of their conclusions. because any of them can be fake now.

Well, no not necessarily. Although I do acknowledge the possibility and most certainly see why this whole thing can be extremely frustrating. But it does also hint at a different "level" of information that has not been actively pursued, as I referred to above. This is "meta" information. Information about the process of channeling itself, how it works, and how to make it more effective. This is immensely more valuable than whether or not Rasputin graduated, for example.

Whether harvest is tomorrow, thirty years ago, or 300 years from now, we are still talking about conscious contact with intelligent infinity. This is essentially like having your own personal Ra. Again, this gets back to my own personal experiences where I used to attend weekly trance channeling sessions involving groups of about 20 - 30 attendees. Every week, a message was given on some topic, and then it was opened up to queries from the audience. Unfortunately, these people had little idea how to properly query an oracle. It was obvious to me that they did not understand that their specific choice of words was limiting the information which could be communicated to them, such as to respect free will. Do you see what I am getting at here?

what you are overlooking, is one of the options you count is not an option at all. acceptance of that 'option' totally invalidates any information in this material.

Assuming you are correct, we are still left with:

The harvest is now.

Can you offer a way to account for this which is coherent with your views? If so, I think that would be very helpful for this thread.

As much as it still kind of pains me,

This sphere is at this time in fourth-dimension vibration.

is in the same "Plain As Day" category in my mind. And for now I am not ready to give that one up. We still have a fairly large misconception going on about 3D earth "becoming" 4D earth to address. Again, whether or not the hypothesis forwarded here is true, we still have to contend with the idea that sooner or later, one generation is going to be the "last" generation, with all the attendant absurdities of a falling population along the way.

first, corruption of a contact does not 'just' happen. appropriate imbalances and distortions have to be present for corruption. and if they are there, they do not just get exploited for duration of two questions and answers. they remain there exploitable.

I am not really arguing with you, but I will observe that there is no basis for these statements within the Ra material. This is "meta" information about the process of channeling itself. The only two quotes which bear on this were offered by zenmaster earlier, but hardly constitute a conclusive discourse on channeling.

second, this channeling was done unconsciously, and in a manner that totally put the channeler out of its body. the channeler, was not present there. what was there was an entity named as Ra.

Sorry, but again I personally know a trance channeler, and she would not describe it as such. So, either your characterization is incorrect, or it is a purely subjective experience in which case this is just another thing that is pointless to debate.