Share your vision for the harvest

[Bring4th_Austin]

Ra never said "whenever we say 'approximately' regarding a date, it means within 5 years." Yes, they're using human time, but many people have different ideas of what approximately might mean. It's a relative term. If the limits were defined, the response would have been "Yes, the moment of harvest will happen sometime between 2010 and 2015." THAT is definition of the limits. Approximate limits are relative.

i dont know what you are even arguing :

- all dates in the material regarding our time has been given with our time scale. corrected if erred.
- Ra knows what a year is
- Ra knows what does something taking a year, or longer than a year means.
- if the probabilities of it happening in another year than 2011 was sufficiently high, Ra would tell it. like they did with transition, and anything else.
- harvest may happen this year. harvest happening in the next years will not change the fact that it will happen within a year.

This part of my discussion has nothing to do with the gradual vs. instant debate. This goes back to my assertion of ambiguity, or openness for interpretation, not by myself, but possible interpretation by another using unreasonable but undeniable logic.

What I'm arguing is simply the date, not the time span. And I'm not even arguing because I don't think 2011 would be an accurate date for harvest, what I'm upholding is the idea that the words could be interpreted by someone else to say that harvest could very possibly happen later in the future, not in 2011. Since 2011 was an approximation, it means that harvest will happen in the proximity of 2011. Meaning near 2011. But who judges what "near" is? It's a relative term.

Right, exactly, "most likely" probability does not mean "definitely." It explicitly leaves room for other probabilities. Not probabilities regarding the mechanic of harvest, but the date of harvest, which is what I'm talking about.

what im saying is if there were other probabilities that were sufficiently noticeable, they would be named.

If something has a 99% chance to happen a certain way, there's still a 1% chance it would happen another way, and so if nothing noticeable happens in the next few years, someone could still fall back on that 1% chance that it is going to happen a different way. That's all I'm saying.

Unless this contact only happens once one passes into time/space.

contacting intelligent infinity in conscious form, is free ticket out of a 3d planet. i am not sure if you are missing this or not. it surpasses harvest, harvest cycles, and apparently because harvesters come during harvests, harvesters too. and 'leaving through intelligent infinity' phrase used for these situations. im telling these because you seemed to imply that conscious contact during incarnation was not possible. it is. and it is not something that can go unnoticed.

I'm not saying it is not possible, only that it's possible that it won't be forced upon entities in incarnation at harvest time.

s for contacting intelligent infinity in time/space, it isnt a possibility that would go unnoticed by the conscious self either. the contact substantially alters the consciousness of an entity when done in conscious form to the extent it is explained in the material and how do entities react. it doesnt matter whether you contact that energy during time/space presence in sleep or else - the energy that is transferred through contact, would still be there.

What I'm saying is the possibility that contact doesn't even happen until the entity exits space/time.

I'm not saying that the 4D is just awareness, I'm talking about becoming more aware of the 4D material. Obviously there will be children born with different genetics and different material, and there's no clear explanation of how this evolution happens in the material. They will probably not react well to foods of lower vibration...they'll simply stop eating them.

How do you interpret the gradual evolution of 4D bodies if not gradual?

those bodies may be birthing and evolving in the newly shaping 4d physical plane that 3-4d body entities also manifest in. another dimension.

Wouldn't this still require a single generation to be lost to another? The last generation incarnating into 3D and the first incarnating into 4D? It seems to make more sense to me that this transfer of body from 3D to 4D happens gradually with the evolution of the bodies.

I'm still not quite grasping how this would inhibit the scenario I proposed. Entities will be harvested upon death, and will be harvestable in incarnation. In this harvest, one doesn't have to be "harvestable" to get harvested, they'll simply be placed in another 3D continuum. How does the difference between being harvested and being harvestable prevent one from being harvested only once they die naturally?

Right, of course if one is harvested they would know, but in the scenario at the moment harvest happens, the masses of unincarnated souls are harvested, and then the souls in incarnation are harvested upon natural death. Harvest strikes in a moment, and it would not be possible to not be harvested after the generation alive during harvest dies.

something that is told to take place within a year, cannot wait for entities' decades or 70 years long incarnation periods to end. harvesters come at the end of cycle in harvest, and apparently, go after harvest is completed. it is not an 'everlasting opportunity' that waits for whims and amusement of entities incarnated. otherwise a harvest period in a NORMAL 3d planet, would need to last a whopass 900 years at the minimum.

This is where the heart of my point in this discussion lies, and it might be something we'll have to simply disagree on. For the harvest taking place in 2011, I don't think it would be unacceptable to imply that Ra meant that the gateway to intelligent infinity opens in 2011. And again, I feel like Ra mentioning the entities not in incarnation being harvested at that time could be a clue instead of just a clarification. I feel like if Ra wanted to clarify that that's when all entities were harvested, they would have said "All entities will be harvested at this time." Instead, saying entities not in incarnation are included at this time could mean that, in the whole harvest, this is when entities not in incarnation are included. No doubt this would be a grand event, a major part of the harvest, and any entities not in incarnation at that time will no longer have a chance to incarnate to become harvestable after that date.

You may attribute my view to anything you wish, bias or bad logic or a misunderstanding of linguistics or what have you. I would very much like a quick and easy departure from this plane and this body which to me feels like a mask which is choking me...or simply just a quick and soon yet uncomfortable departure, as my curiosity drives me to wish to experience something different than this life, and I see that as a possibility, but not the only one.

I did find this quote which I would like to see your take on:

26.26 Questioner: I was thinking specifically if an entity was in Hiroshima or Nagasaki at that time and he was reaching harvestability at the end of our cycle, would this death by nuclear bomb create such trauma that he would not be harvestable at the end of the cycle?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. Once the healing has taken place the harvest may go forth unimpeded.

It seems to me that Ra is implying these entities must heal before they are included in harvest. They will not be healed by the time the gateway opens, as it is stated they haven't even begun to fully start the healing process. Yet they will be harvested anyways. Would this require the opportunity for harvest to last for longer than just a year?

Also, regarding the idea of a 4D population to fill 7 billion transitional bodies, what are we basing the average population of a planet on? I know we have an idea of how many planets are of a certain density, and what sort of percentages we can see from a mixed harvest, but do we have any idea about population? Couldn't it be possible that there are planets out there which support populations much larger than Earth? Conditions vary from Logos to Logos.