Share your vision for the harvest

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Ra does not define these limits, so we have to define them ourselves. You define your's more logically than someone who would still be waiting after 50 years, but since the limits are not defined in the material, it is personal judgement. And it would simply be opinion to call that other person's judgement flawed.

ra defines these limits, sometimes explicitly by telling them, according to our timescale, because they are talking into OUR perception of time and measurements.

ranging from orion entry into planet being corrected after the mistake they made, to 100-700 years given for a transition, every time unit or scale or probability given were given in our scales. not theirs. they were not told to be left to the discretion of the reader either.

ra knows what they say when they speak about a 'year'. they are neither lacking capacity or non-caring as to miss mentioning a period of 'a few years'. wherever there is ANY kind of probability, they have mentioned it. there are no exceptions. this even goes for the case of potential futures for this planet. there were probabilities, and the most likely ones were talked about.

Do any of these rule out the possibility that harvest happens in a certain moment, but entities incarnated in space/time will not experience it until they die? I think I might have a different idea of what "gradualist" might mean than others. To me, a "gradual" harvest is one that simply allows for the entities within incarnation to die a natural death before they are harvested. So harvest happens, entities not in incarnation are harvested at that moment, and then as the entities within incarnation die, they are harvested...so it only lasts as long as it takes that generation to die. And it's possible that 3D entities were done incarnating years ago, meaning that the last of the pure 3D entities would be gone in less than a life-time. New entities being born would be harvested entities in 3D/4D bodies. That is as gradual as I see the material allowing for. Besides the "probability/possibility" thing, that is the ambiguity I talk about.

what's ruling out the possibility you speak of - apart from intelligent infinity contact not being something passing by unnoticed - is the choice of words used when referring to entities harvestable, and harvested in the past. as i mentioned there, word 'harvested' used for any entity which undergoes process of contacting intelligent infinity and dying and getting placed in a 4d continuum, or, any entity that dies, gets harvested through harvest method at the end of cycle, and then gets placed in a 4d continuum. for ALL others, 'harvestable' wordage was used. there is no exception to this as far as i read. even the entities which were harvestable at the end of 4d, are named as harvestables. when you queue the information that says 'all are harvested regardless of progress' at the end of 3rd cycle, the potential of not dying, leave aside getting affected by harvest is minimized. that is totally leaving out the fact that how to depopulate a 7 bil planet goes unexplained. these together made me change my perspective.

I'm talking about what happens at the "moment" of harvest, or when harvest "starts." Basically, the description Ra gives of harvest as the testing to see what incarnation nexus is appropriate. I'm not talking about the mechanisms surrounding harvest, I'm talking about harvest itself and how it is experienced, and whether it is experienced by people in incarnation.

what people experience, is a direct result of mechanism of harvest. it is not a subconscious event that goes unnoticed.

#1 for any entity to be deemed harvestable DURING incarnation, the entity needs to have made contact with intelligent infinity in its conscious self. it doesnt need to contact intelligent infinity by trying for it consciously - but the entity should be conscious when it made the contact.

#2 for any entity that is harvested, the entity is placed in violet body after death. im at a loss to see why some of you are missing to delve into these seemingly tiny bits of information despite they being critical and then getting sidetracked by other things. here :

there is great possibility in order for an entity to be placed in violet body, to have died. the entity will be placed in entirely violet body in order to access its harvestability. an entity in incarnation, with its 3d body active, and the proper astral counterpart active for that body, is very likely not to be able to be placed in violet body. therein lies the necessity of introducing the harvest 'anomaly' after death, so that entity is placed into violet body even before it is placed into indigo body.

as you can see - there is no way for harvest going unnoticed. you either contact intelligent infinity DURING incarnation in conscious state, which would be VERY consciousness-altering for you, leave aside noticeable, or, you die and get placed into violet body and then judged for harvestability. you would also notice if you have died, if i may add.

Wouldn't the discussion with Icaro only reveal Icaro's own biases? And isn't it presumptuous in either case to assume you can define these biases? I don't think one case can be applied to the whole other side of the debate.

the biases people hold towards this particular subject is common. they are not too hard to define. for a time i have been thinking of making a list of their elements, but havent gotten around to it yet.

What explicitly in Ra is denying the idea that this event that happens will force entities out of incarnation to be harvested? While the major event happens in a moment, and all the entities not in incarnation at that moment are harvested (which is what Ra explicitly stated), and then, as a result of that event, entities leaving incarnation will have the opportunity to be harvested.

"Regardless of progress" could easily just mean that the entities who have not polarized enough to experience the next density will also be harvested, because they wouldn't have been affected by the first two harvests. Basically it would mean "we take the 3D entities out of here because this ships turning 4D and they can't handle it." Do you feel the only option is that the 3D entities incarnate now are forced out of incarnation to be harvested?

leaving aside the important factors i explained in #1 and #2, harvest at the end of third cycle is an all encompassing event that is of cosmic level. it is not something that you can have 'options' with. 'all are harvested regardless of progress' is what was told. its not something that is left to choice of the entity. and if all are harvested in that fashion, #1 and #2 apply.

I figured the 3D entities who had not become harvestable would probably live the rest of their lives in a state of "depression," or scared...their ability to function waning with 3D vibes and 3D thoughtforms.

what you speak of would be more a reason to take them out of incarnation, because the situation you describe would destabilize their balance in ways that would require a few incarnations to rebalance. that, is basically torture.

I again thought the "fast" change was a part of the gradualist standpoint. Just not an instant change. 3D thoughtforms and ideas are purged from society in the next 100-700 years, which the 3Ders are long-gone by that point, because none were incarnating even before harvest actually happened. The dual-bodies are left to change society. That was my view of gradual.

and that gradualist perspective falls in many respects. the simplest being the population decline rate necessary to accomplish that. and for that they assume that 3d entities are being born into 3-4d bodies (which was a wrong misconception due to what i mentioned) in the rates of 60 million, along with harvested entities.

But Ra said starting with 3D bodies, gradually becoming 4D bodies. In a gradual standpoint, they could easily become more and more aware of the 4D plane as they evolve. The body evolution will likely mimic very closely the mind evolution of society. The 4D sphere could seamlessly replace the 3D sphere as seamlessly as bodies evolve. An entity at either end of the transition would notice a major difference.

Would the body be directly related to what the mind perceived? Perhaps an entity could perceive 4D just as well as their "more evolved" daughter, and with each generation 3D is shed a bit more as the societal mind perceives 4D more and more.

therein lies the problem - you are still seeing the dimension differences from a perspective of 'awareness'. it is not just 'awareness' anymore. these are real, physical stuff. there are real physical implementations of this change. ranging from genetics of the bodies to the dimensionality properties of 4d sphere. just 'becoming more aware' would not be the case. there will be physical issues. it is not something that is just relevant to mind or awareness. at one point, the genetic properties of a transitional body will be different than the already born generations before it to a major extent. ranging from their food necessities to how they react to various different substances eaten.

Why is depopulation necessary? If everyone born now is a 4D entity, and they continue to reproduce as they get older, the population could stay the same as 3Ders die naturally.

what you speak of would require 7 billion newly harvested 4d entities ready to inhabit THIS particular planet, being compatible with it. the numbers to supply this were examined, and it is improbable. moreover, a 3-4d body will live longer than a 3d body. since it shows more 4d properties. and even more 4d bodies would approximate the 4d lifespan even longer. so, entities born into these bodies will increasingly stay much longer than the normal lifespan of 70 years or so that is the standard with 3d. this means more numbers of 4d entities would be necessary to maintain this population.

What I mean is they're all harvested beings.

60 million harvested 4d entities per year is not a number that can be maintained with the best of harvest rates, and potential numbers of populations that can be fielded by planets, as i put forth with generously ranged calculations.

there is a point to incarnating in 3d as a senior 3d entity at this point in time - for the event of harvest. and it would continue until harvest is over. but, the 3d entities that were alive after end of harvest, would NOT stop reproducing by themselves. so then who would inhabit these 3d bodies being born, would become a matter in itself.

Questioner: I make the assumption that if maximum efficiency had been achieved in this 25,000 year period the entities would have polarized either toward service to self or toward service to others, one or the other. This would have made them harvestable at the end of that 25,000 year period in which case they would have had to move to another planet because this one would have been third density for 50,000 more years. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. Let us untangle your assumption which is complex and correct in part.

The original desire is that entities seek and become one. If entities can do this in a moment, they may go forward in a moment, and, thus, were this to occur in a major cycle, indeed, the third-density planet would be vacated at the end of that cycle.

It is, however, more towards the median or mean, shall we say, of third-density developments throughout the one infinite universe that there be a small harvest after the first cycle; the remainder having significantly polarized, the second cycle having a much larger harvest; the remainder being even more significantly polarized, the third cycle culminating the process and the harvest being completed.

At the end of the third cycle, harvest is completed, and the 3D planet is vacated. Any questions?

thank you. this is another horizon widening q/a.

it basically says that EVEN if the entities get harvested en masse during a major cycle in a planet BEFORE last cycle, the planet is vacated at 3d. and, at the last cycle, planet, 'is vacated'.

Right, I just assume that since harvest is near, and the Earth is spiralling into 4D vibes and out of 3D vibes (although sustaining the 3D vibes through thoughtforms, etc), a 3D incarnation would not be appropriate. The dual-bodies will "purge" the 3D thoughtforms and vibrations to create a 4D society. It's a likely way I see the 100-700 year transition going.

I think it'll be appropriate for many 3D natives, as long as there's sufficient 3D catalyst. 3D vibes, of some degree, will likely be here for hundreds of years. I think the end of the cycle will probably see a significant decline, however, due to newly incarnating harvested entities molding the 'noosphere'. 4D is like a logos for 3D in that there is significant leadership or influence from the higher vibration.

you are talking about a population of 7 billion. the 4d harvested ones and wanderers arent a dent in this population. whatever present vibrations there is in the planet in 3d vibration, they would exhaust them speedily. the only measure to maintain 3d vibrations would be to reduce frequency of incoming 4d vibrations. or, use it off of 4d vibrations 3-4d harvested entities provide, by reducing those vibrations.

It just seems to be that it would be incredibly disabling for everybody to have a population where a small minority have access to "superhuman" powers, while the vast majority does not. I feel like a broken record, having stated something to this effect several times and nobody has really responded. But I think it is an important point which ties directly into the heart of the matter.

Unless the abilities are slowly learned and the potential for them is slowly gained. Also, why is that disabling? What do you think superhuman powers means? Are you thinking about something you saw in a movie or something less imaginary? We're told that there will seem to be a new breed of transitional bodied people. They still have to learn their abilities - that involves discipline and takes awhile, especially in a society that does not teach such things.

your approach to this is too simple and totally ignores the spiritual basics.

an entity which is subjected to higher vibrations than its mind/spirit can stand, gets imbalanced seriously. an entity which is subjected to higher vibrations than its body can handle, at the minimum develops health issues.

My perspective has not budged because my opinion is based on my understanding of time, the function/experience of the octave as a whole, and the comments Ra has made about the present moment. Which is why I refrain from the harvest discussion because this opinion doesn't directly translate to what you believe to be strictly defined. My opinion on the harvest of a year ago would agree with you, because I translated everything directly. I think there are underlying metaphysical concepts to discern. My metaphorical explanation before was vague, I'll explain it differently.

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all is well and ok but Ra was talking based on the perception and definition of time as it is known at large in our population. a year, is a year in that timescale. and whenever something erred in OUR count of time, they corrected it.

and things 'metaphorically' evaluating to aeons in time/space, may take just months in space/time.

there is not THAT much 'metaphorization' exists in our existence. things must work, incarnation must happen, death must come by, people must eat, digest, crap, breathe for existence to continue. there is nothing metaphorical about these.

same goes for harvest. regardless of what meanings and metaphors you load onto harvest, the process of harvest as defined as a mechanic at the start of creation of this octave, will act as it was planned to act.

It happens after they die....

On what basis is the claim being made that one must be disincarnate to be harvested?

for any entity labeled as harvested in the material, we see that the act of dying and getting placed in a 4d continuum has happened. for any entity labeled as 'harvestable' in the material, EVEN if they are dead as of present time, we see the word 'harvestable' used. rasputing and genghis and taras bulba are named as harvested. they are incarnated in different places, and even different continuums that are out of our continuum to a point that giving the exact locations of their placement in regard to astronomy/geometry is impossible, as we are told.

others, himmler and goering, are dead, but, they are named as possibly harvestable. meaning, they are waiting for harvest to happen.

150 2nd cycle harvestables are named as harvestables. not harvested. despite they died and reincarnated on this planet numerous times.

all these end up loading different meanings to harvestable, and harvested. one (former) is a status that is either gained by contacting infinite intelligence during incarnation consciously, or, having the violet balance that shows potential for harvestability if placed in violet body DURING harvest.

the other (latter) is a status that is gained by actually getting harvested and placed in a 4d continuum.