Share your vision for the harvest

[native]

see, your perspective has not budget a bit right from the start, despite your responses changed with the information provided. the fixation of having a harvest that is prolonged so long to an extent that it would not matter in a person's lifetime in a direct, all encompassing and discomforting fashion always remains there and seeks a way out.

My perspective has not budged because my opinion is based on my understanding of time, the function/experience of the octave as a whole, and the comments Ra has made about the present moment. Which is why I refrain from the harvest discussion because this opinion doesn't directly translate to what you believe to be strictly defined. My opinion on the harvest of a year ago would agree with you, because I translated everything directly. I think there are underlying metaphysical concepts to discern. My metaphorical explanation before was vague, I'll explain it differently.

For instance, I believe all of our third density space/time moments to essentially be seen as one moment in time. The third density is an illusion of experience as time as we perceive it. All of third density is one moment, and indeed, in 17.2 they emphasize how third density is for the purpose of the choice of entering into the present. They also say the experience of third density is not necessary, which means it's irrelevant because the split of positive/negative created by third density all ends up as one in 6d and on up.

The octave experience is the working backwards towards a greater accumulation of present moments that at the octave level, all of which is experienced as one moment or a timeless state. Densities 1-2, 4-7 experience time differently. Ra says 3d is unnecessary, but a choice, and that third density has past/present/future, but the experience of it is an illusion. If I'm correct, the other densities are different in that there is only the present, as Ra says they don't experience history as we understand this concept, and that their learning remains graven in the present.

Third density is used for the purpose of interaction which creates a split so that the Creator may experience itself differently in this octave. This is how the choice is able to be made. But from the viewpoint of Ra, all of third density is one moment. That is why it is said that seeking begins and ends in a moment, and you step through the gate to the present. Because you're stepping out of this illusion into a density where once again the experience exists as a present moment state; as a 4d entity there is no ability to ever visit your 'historical' experience of 4d itself if I understand correctly..only those octave wanderers or whatever can do that. If you don't make that choice, you remain in the illusion.

Debating how long the harvest happens misses the point entirely. Because once you've made the choice in the incarnation, which is contact with intelligent infinity, you've been harvested in the metaphysical sense, you've made the choice and stepped through to the present metaphorically, and is why there have been examples given where entities were capable of harvesting themselves. 'The harvest is now' from this perspective makes more sense. The harvest mechanic approaches and is done in a moment, but we don't experience it that way. When Ra says the harvest will occur in 2011, they simply mean it approaches and is ready and waiting for the entities to die so that they may make the transition.

The timing of the cycles described in 9.3 is a rhythm. It seems to be an outward/inward pulse. If third density is but one moment metaphysically speaking, and the pulse is coming our way in space/time (inwards or outwards), those moments intersect and those that can be harvested, are. Confining the harvest to irrelevant conceptions of past/present/future misses the point. The harvest is but a moment, yet we don't experience it that way. Ra never explains it as such because through free will, we all interpret it differently. Ra gave us everything that was necessary to understand, but as a puzzle to figure out and accept in our own time. Understanding can't be taught, so they don't lay it out as such. They only answer what was asked of them.

All of this is intuitive perception informing intelligence. My perspective of a year ago changed when I grasped these intuitive concepts that Ra has imparted throughout the material, and is why the Law of One can't always be reduced to definitive statements in regards to harvest.

And yes, forget the 900 year period. I was theorizing out loud trying to translate the above as to why the harvest would occur over a period of time. It was simply a logical guess related to the life-span that the Logos allotted for incarnation.