Share your vision for the harvest

[Bring4th_Austin]

These are not entities which reached intelligent infinity on this plane, they are entities harvested from other spheres who have come here for 4D experience. During the contact, there were 35,000 of the, and it was a "recent phenomenon," so you can probably guess there are many, many more now. They are 4D entities incarnating into 3D/4D bodies. It is all spelled out in session 63

So you are saying that these entities have already been harvested, and are now being born into 3D earth?

Yes, this is one situation which is not ambiguously talked about in the material. I will supply the references if you wish (they're numerous and won't be easy to compile all together), but in a nutshell, at the point of the contact there were 35,000 dual-activated individuals who were harvested from other spheres and came here to Earth for 4D experience. We can assume that number is much much larger now. They are indeed 4D entities. When Ra says there are entities inhabiting the 4D sphere of Earth, he is talking about these 4D entities which are incarnated into dual bodies.

I compiled this topic a while back as a reference for understanding dual activated individuals and why they're here:
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=2544

I'm not sure I see what your point is...it's not something I overlooked...right now is "prior to the complete changeover," and at that moment there were 35,000 4D entities living in dual bodies. That's the point I was making.

... and so after the "complete changeover" nobody will be able to discern that anything noticeable has completely changed? And if so, this plausible deniability of anything having been completely changed will be maintained for the benefit of... whom? I dunno maybe we are just taking past one another here.

No, I never said that, in this particular case we were talking specifically about harvested entities incarnating into an environment such as this, and I wasn't going any further than that. But I see where you're coming from...of course once the changeover is completed, it will be different...completely different, from 3D to 4D. But it doesn't say that changeover happens in an instant. Of course it will end in an instant, and that instant may seem to different from the last, but however long the transition from 3D to 4D is, there will be a great many changes, and they could be seamless (or not).

Here they are one more time.

63.27 Questioner: I will make this statement and have you correct me. What we have is, as our planet is spiraled by the spiraling action of the entire major galaxy and our planetary system spirals into the new position, the fourth-density vibrations becoming more and more pronounced. These atomic core vibrations begin to create, more and more completely, the fourth-density sphere and the fourth-density bodily complexes for inhabitation of that sphere. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. To be corrected is the concept of the creation of green-ray density bodily complexes. This creation will be gradual and will take place beginning with your third-density type of physical vehicle and, through the means of bisexual reproduction, become by evolutionary processes, the fourth-density body complexes.

63.28 Questioner: Then are these entities of whom we have spoken, the third-density harvestable who have been transferred, the ones who then will, by bisexual reproduction, create the fourth-density complexes that are necessary?

Ra: I am Ra. The influxes of true color green energy complexes will more and more create the conditions in which the atomic structure of cells of bodily complexes is that of the density of love. The mind/body/spirit complexes inhabiting these physical vehicles will be, and to some extent, are, those of whom you spoke and, as harvest is completed, the harvested entities of this planetary influence.

Please acknowledge that you see these! They're very important.

Yes, I see them!

According to my read, 63.27 is talking about the gradual transition from 3D to 4D bodies concomitant with the transition from 3D to 4D earth. And according to Ra, this transition was already complete in 1981. I acknowledge that use of the word "will" implies a process going on in the future which I am chalking up to being an artifact from an awkwardly worded query. We have to interpret this in light of the quote where Ra says, plain as day, that earth was already vibrating in the fourth density spectrum in 1981.

In time/space, but not in space/time. "63.25. At this nexus the green-ray environment exists to a far greater extent in time/space than in space/time" If your logic holds true, then we are now in 4D bodies, because Earth was 4D in 1981. I'm not quite sure I'm understanding your logic. Ra says that the 4D bodies start as 3D bodies and then evolve to 4D bodies. Do you think this has already happened? Also, here Ra explains how long it will take 4D to become a full reality in space/time, which is probably when the 4D bodies will finish evolving:

40.8 Questioner: Then what will be the time of transition on this planet from third to fourth-density?
Ra: I am Ra. This is difficult to estimate due to the uncharacteristic anomalies of this transition. There are at this space/time nexus beings incarnate which have begun fourth-density work. However, the third-density climate of planetary consciousness is retarding the process. At this particular nexus the possibility/probability vortices indicate somewhere between 100 and 700 of your years as transition period. This cannot be accurate due to the volatility of your peoples at this space/time.

So, this combined with the evolution of 4D bodies shows that our sphere as well as our bodies will gradually rid themselves of 3D and eventually become completely 4D, and the entities incarnating during those times are harvested and incarnating for an early experience.

According to my read, 63.28 also supports everything I have been saying. The fourth-density physical complexes are already being inhabited, and will become, after harvest is completed, the harvested entities of this planetary influence. The harvest will be completed on or around 2011.

Let's hash out 63.28:
The influxes of true color green energy complexes will (will - in the future) more and more create (more and more create-gradually) the conditions in which the atomic structure of cells of bodily complexes is that of the density of love (4D). The mind/body/spirit complexes inhabiting these physical vehicles will be, and to some extent, are, those of whom you spoke (dual bodied individuals) and, as harvest is completed, the harvested entities of this planetary influence

Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?

Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.

... or would it be spread out... Don asks. Ra specifically does not say that, yes, it will be spread out. So if, in fact, it IS spread out, this constitutes a MASSIVELY HUGE blunder on the part of Ra. And in consideration of Ra's self-confessed shenanigans of the past, it seems preposterous to presume that Ra would have allowed such a grand error to have been passed along. Surely, Ra did not intend to cause greater confusion.

Harvest and the transition to 4D (Earth and bodies) are very different. This is something Unity points out very often. The transition to 4D is not the act of harvest. It happens at the same time and necessecitates harvest, but "harvest" is the opening of the gateway to intelligent infinity, and the transition to 4D is something that happens with it. "Harvest" will not be the entire transitional period. It will be at the beginning of the transition, and the harvested entities will complete the transition of 3D Earth to 4D.

Those with hybrid 3D/4D bodies will find their 4D body decoupled from their 3D body. To those with no 4D body, it will appear that they have died. To those with the 4D body, it joins the rest of the 4D sphere, already in progress.

Ra states that both 3D and 4D bodies of transitional entities must die in order for them to get a complete 4D body, which will be the result of evolution:

63.14 Questioner: You are saying, then, that for the transition from third to fourth-density for one of the entities with doubly activated bodies, in order to make the transition the third-density body will go through the process of what we call death. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die according to the necessity of third-density mind/body/spirit complex distortions.

Keeping everybody together drops us right back into the shrinking population conundrum. Or alternatively, we are left contending with where the 7 - 10 billion harvested souls are coming from, and why. Both scenarios are absurd.

Not sure what you mean. It's safe to say that no children being born right now are in strictly 3D bodies, meaning they all have transitional bodies, meaning they're all harvested 4D entities (from other spheres). More dual bodies will continue to be born, all 4D entities. The last 3D entities are in incarnation right now, and once they all die, the world is full of 4D entities incarnated into dual bodies. These entities will bring the 4D sphere from time/space to space/time through ridding space/time of 3D thoughtforms. It's one very likely scenario painted by Ra. I'm not sure where the shrinking population thing comes from, and I don't know what you're talking about contending with other souls.

So, in summary, yes there are certain quotes where the interpretation is up in the air. The wording is ambivalent. We are not exactly sure what Ra meant. But there are other quotes where no such ambivalence is present. Ra said what Ra said. It is plain as day for all to see.

Right, but the quotes we have about the transition from 3D to 4D that say it will take 100-700 years, that 4D bodies will be gradually evolved, and that we have already harvested entities walking among us right now, at least 35,000, but probably much much more than that.