08-31-2011, 05:13 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-31-2011, 05:16 PM by Bring4th_Austin.)
(08-31-2011, 04:14 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:(08-31-2011, 03:27 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: The reasons I saw Tenet explain were painting the "gradualist" side of the debate with a broad brush of psychoanalysis. I "agreed" with your statement in a snarky smartass attempt to make a point.
See... this is really the crux of the problem here. Allow me to illustrate:
Tenet Nosce Wrote:I am having great difficulty seeing how this could be interpreted to mean anything different. In my experience, those who forward a "gradualist" scenario are reacting negatively to the possibility of being abruptly separated from loved ones.
Please define where is the "broad brush" here in this statement. I was expressing difficulty understanding something, and speaking from my own experience.
That would be true for this particular statement, but I was referring to posts such as the one stating "A gradualist view is very human-centric," continuing on explaining that gradualists are upset about the idea of death or "leaving someone behind."
Quote:Moreover, as much as I appreciate sarcasm, snarkiness, and smartassness, based on results they are highly ineffective tools to further increased understanding in an online discussion forum. And I am going to assume that you already know this, but continue to float snarky remarks out in threads anyway.
I've accounted for the one snarky remark...have I made more I'm unaware of? I did just find this comment you got offended at, which is rather self-incriminating in a different sense for me:
Quote:A lot of people think they're interpretation is the only one which can be correct and they have (as we see) pages and pages of logical arguments to support their opinion, which like I said, I feel is derived from bias.
I won't ignore that I'm currently trying accuse others of doing something which I explicitly did here. I don't see a reason for myself, as in this situation, or anyone else to bring supposed bias into a logical argument. But, aside from that, I was rather perplexed by how offended you were at this statement, because it wasn't a jab at you or Unity or anyone else. We have ALL been discussing this for pages and pages, and ALL presenting logical arguments, and that's the point I was trying to make. The statement wasn't argumentative, but rather to point out that both camps, instant vs. gradual, have supplied many many logical arguments.
Are there any more comments you perceive as snarky or argumentative? I wouldn't mind discussing them to help clear the air.
Quote:If you are an example of somebody who disproves my characterization, then you could have simply stated so instead of inciting chaos and contributing to the derailment of yet another thread.
You could have said, "Hey Tenet, I am one who forwards a gradualist scenario, but it has nothing to do with resisting separation from my loved ones. Rather, it has to do with ___________."
I did state so specifically to you, which you did not reply to, so I figured you ignored it and I would leave it that. This was regarding Unity. Your name is only brought up because he chose to use your theory of bias as being why the discussion of gradualist vs. instant debate continued. And the posts I was referring to seeing were not the ones in which you were drawing from personal experience. I had already replied to the posts I was referring to, this particularly was an ill-conceived post to Unity, not you.
My reply is here: http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...6#pid52216
Maybe you didn't see it? I figured you ignored it.
Quote:But you didn't. Instead you chose to play the snarky card. Again. And not only did you play the snarky card, you played it in another thread, namely this one. Then you exited the thread stage left, ignoring two pages of comments, and then jumped back in fists flying.
And there's a lengthy thread explaining and apologizing for this to Unity, who the post was aimed towards.
I'll offer an apology to you as well Tenet, though I never aimed or meant for any comment towards you to be snarky or argumentative, it seems you have perceived such and I'd rather that not be the case.
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