08-30-2011, 09:05 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-30-2011, 09:51 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
(08-30-2011, 08:16 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: If you tracked my history, you noticed I have done a complete 180 on this subject. I'm not sure that holding someone's evolution to what comes across on this forum is accurate. Did I come across as stern in my view? If so, my interaction on the forum is misrepresentative.
No, you don't come across as stern in your view to me.
I didn't actually go and read everything that everybody ever said. What I mean was that, in seeing certain dynamics unfold in the thread, I went and looked at people's first post wondering what brought them to this forum, and what questions were predominately on their mind at the time. I noticed that the same personalities seem to keep getting caught up in the same arguments... months and months go by, new threads get started, but the same arguments get hashed out again and again.
3DMonkey Wrote:.... Also, you seem most stern of all as well. Even just pulling out the Ra quotes and reducing the contact down to "harvest talk" does not take into account the entirety of the material. Honestly, no person of who I have read their opinions is disregarding material and valid interpretations thereof.
I don't mean to come across as unyielding, except to the degree that people want to argue about what Ra actually said. Conclusions drawn from there are up for grabs, in my opinion.
Quote:I don't think you were singling me out. I only want to respond because I think you are one who hasn't opened up to my perspective in particular. .... Here is a method for growth= you put yourself in the position of learn/teach. Ask someone "why" instead of "this doesn't support you, look".
I wasn't. Nor am I really trying to single anybody out. I am responding to a couple of general accusations floating through this thread. abridgetoofar referred to people speaking as if their beliefs were the "one true way" and Icaro referring to people speaking with undue "certainty". I am assuming (perhaps wrongly so) that unity100 is not the only person being referred to with these comments.
I actually agree with your methodology for growth, however I thought that I attempted that in the mayan calendar thread, asking you to expand on certain points that didn't make sense to me, given your view, and you pretty much ignored me.

I have never shredded anybody's view on this forum, or made any sort of remarks that I thought were disrespectful towards another person.
Actually, what I have observed on several occasions is that I made a very clear strong points which moved some to applaud me, apparently causing others to harbor negativity toward me because my stated view conflicts with their own, which did not receive such praise.
I am not here for the praise, so there is no reason for anybody to hold it against me. But I am not going to "hide my light under a bushel" because it makes somebody else uncomfortable that my argument got better reviews than theirs.
I am here to deepen my understanding of the Ra material through intelligent conversations with others, and if possible, to express such deeper understandings in written form so that they may be of service to other seekers who come upon this forum. I am here to not only get those AHA! moments, but to document them as they arise in hopes that they might also help others get their own AHA! moments.
My point is not to convince you, or unity100, or abridgetoofar, or Icaro, or zenmaster, et. al. of ANYTHING. I'm not calling anybody stupid, or trying to portray my view as "better" than anybody else's. This seems to be the root of most of the misunderstanding going on here.
I understand that I have a very bold style of writing. I have a bold way of speaking. It is true that my opinions, when present, are fairly strong. But that is only because they are very well thought through. This is not to say they are impervious or free from error. But it is to say that if somebody is going to engage me in argumentation, I am going to expect that they offer some sort of evidence which refutes my view. Not just simply say they "disagree" but not offer a reason why.
If an argument is just going to come down to "Well, that's just what I believe." then there is no point in starting an argument. This includes floating sideways remarks about people without directly calling them out, or making comments that are so vague as to be nonsensical, or any other passive-aggressive type behaviors.