Share your vision for the harvest

[Tenet Nosce]

It has to do with people going around parading that death is approaching in 2011 with almost absolute certainty, when there is clearly enough room for interpretation as to when the harvest would begin.

I can't answer for unity100, but your use of the word "people" implies more than one.

Actually, I don't see ANYBODY "parading" that death is approaching, and the attitude of certainty which you refer to has to do with certainty about the words that Ra actually chose.

We have two types of argumentation going on here:

The first is argumentation over what Ra actually said. Some folks appear to get their feathers ruffled when another person very matter-of-factly states what Ra actually said because they want to believe that Ra means "blue" when they said "red" or that they were talking about "apples" when they actually said "bananas".

[This situation is being exacerbated by 3DMonkey's apparent view that "bananas" are indeed "bananas" and "red" is in fact "red" but that we should not be talking about them in public]

The second is argumentation over conclusions that may be drawn from what Ra actually said. I do not see anybody- not one person anywhere- saying anything in this category with "absolute certainty". I see a lot of "maybe", "possibly", "in my opinion", and the like.

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[NOTE: The remainder of this post is not a direct reply to Icaro]

If we want to have any hope of increasing our collective understanding on the subject of harvest, it makes the most sense to approach it from the standpoint of, "How is this possible?" rather than trying to twist Ra's words to conform with our own limited understanding of what we think is possible.

Moreover, such a process of truth-seeking will invariably involve certain ideas being discarded all the way. The only problem lies in when people start personally identifying with their POV. Then, instead of being happy and grateful when somebody else offers a POV that actually explains more of the facts, said person gets offended, angry, and butt-hurt, feeling like they have been personally attacked, when in fact no such thing has happened. (Ah, yes, I remember now since every thing is SUBJECTIVE in the universe, your free-will choice to interpret my words as offensive magically transforms my intent to that of offensiveness)

If we are all seeking greater truth, then we must be willing to let go of the lesser truths to which we are clinging. In order for this process to occur, it will require willingness on everybody's part to say: "Ah, yes, that makes more sense. I hadn't thought of it that way." or "So happy to learn I was wrong in my beliefs, as they were causing me so much undue stress and anxiety."

Paradoxically, it would appear that those who are whining the loudest about others who supposedly think that their view is the "one true way" or who are speaking with a false sense of "certainty" are exactly those same individuals that REFUSE to change anything about what they believe, no matter how much evidence they are presented with demonstrating that they are incorrect.

Of course, no counter-evidence is offered by such individuals, because none really exists. They just keep repeating their same beliefs over and over again, as if repetition counts for evidence, and then become offended when they are openly challenged.

I am very sorry, but we are in a situation where the only "evidence" is the Ra material. So if two people are debating about a particular point, one person of which has a whole slew of quotes to support their view, and the other person with one or two quotes very liberally interpreted to mean something different, any rational 3rd party observer would adjudicate the debate in favor of person one.

Not that I would expect anybody to actually do this... but if one were to look at my posts on this forum from a linear perspective, they would observe that my opinions have grown, changed, developed, and become refined over time. This directly refutes any claims that I have presented anything as the "one true way" or that I am speaking with authority that I do not possess.

Rather others, no matter how far one goes back, just seem to be saying the same thing over and over again. Different threads, with different iterations, but pretty much the same thing. There is no perceivable evolution of ideas to be found in their posts, with respect to certain sticky points like harvest. Just the same old thing over and over again. I am being purposely redundant here.

But I have actually gone and looked. After the "blowout" in More Positive But Less Harvestable, I actually went and looked back at every person in the thread's first post on Bring4th. Many of you have replies from me to those posts that you are probably unaware of.

I realize that I am borderline being an ass here, but I am getting to the point where it doesn't matter if I really piss people off because I am starting to conclude that this forum is really not conducive to furthering my understanding of the material, so I may not be around here much longer anyway.

Please don't get me wrong, I think that everybody that I have interacted with here is a bright and capable person, with something valuable to contribute. And I certainly don't think that we all need to agree. But my main purpose here is to deepen my understanding of the Ra material, not to have the same argument over and over again. And I certainly have no further interest in wasting time trying to defend myself against nebulous claims insinuating that -I- am the one who refuses to consider alternative views, and that I am just trying to shove my self-righteous, arrogant (and seemingly incorrect) views down people's throats.

If I wanted to play smoke and mirror games, I could just hang out with my "normal" friends and family, thank you very much!