08-29-2011, 03:49 PM
(08-29-2011, 12:58 PM)Icaro Wrote: Our misunderstandings are growing. I'd like to address each point but I've learned in the past that this will only end up in pages worth of discussion which I have no desire to do. I'll re-frame my opinions.
not our misunderstandings. i have been continually repeating what i said from the start. you are doing interpretations. for example :
Quote:What is the harvest? An opening wherein an entity, if able, may vibrate in accordance with the next density and move through towards it.
harvest of 3d was defined as an event in which entities were harvested in the presence and through the energies the harvesters coming from above octave 3 times in 25,000 year cycles in a 3d period that lasts 75,000 years. on top of that, entities which were able to contact intelligent infinity through their own means in between cycles had the right to leave a 3d planet at any given time.
contact with intelligent infinity is named as 'the ticket to next octave of experience' -> meaning, 4d, if you look from 3d point. it is not a 'process in which you move through towards 4d'. otherwise it would be necessary for entities that had harvested themselves in between cycles, or the entities which got harvested in earlier cycles, to 'move through the next density'.
it doesnt happen like that. it is even explained in precise manner - in a harvest happening after death, entity is directly placed in its violet body before everything happens and its harvestability is judged. and then it moves to indigo body in order to heal, review, and decide the next locus for incarnation, wherever it may be. (a 4d planet, or anything else). this is harvest as happens in time/space after death. in the form of harvest that entity contacts infinite intelligence through its own means in incarnation, there is no 'process' either. the entity may just contact infinite intelligence over the course of a day and be over with it.
Quote:What did the planet begin to do in the 30's? 'Shift' to the next density, or rather, the 4d sphere activates. Most importantly, it was stated that the planet itself has been harvested positively.
there was no such information as 'planet harvested positively' or planets getting get harvested. this planet was told to have moved into a 4d time/space continuum due to 'recent events'. there is no requirement or mechanic that mandates activation of 4d sphere for harvest or during a harvest, as the previous cycles on this planet can make clear for you. those 150 entities contacted intelligent infinity, and were harvestable, and at any given time they could leave the planet and get harvested. DESPITE there was no 4d sphere forming, or 4d vibrations coming this or that. i dont know how it is possible to repeatedly attempt to assert 'transition' or 'shift' or '4d streamings' into harvest in the light of this info. harvest happened 2 times before on this planet, there was no 4d sphere or 4d vibrations or transition or shift.
Quote:My argument is, that the point in time during the past two cycles of the gateway opening is the same cyclical point in time that the planet began its shift currently. Not a different mechanic, just that at the end of this cycle 3d is going out of potentiation, and the fact that this transition has taken place, could be an indication of the harvest gateway being open. In other words, if we were ready in the 30's, we could have made the transition. But collectively speaking, Ra seems to be saying that up until recently that hasn't been possible, and so they say the harvest hasn't 'happened' because it isn't over with yet.
if it was so, ra would just say it. they would say 'harvest has started' or 'gates to intelligent infinity began opening' or this, or that. had the harvest required any kind of transition, they would also say that. they made clear and precise definition of happening of harvest, as i mentioned above regarding the time/space 'anomaly' that harvest introduces to death process. and in the case of during-incarnation harvestability, contact with intelligent infinity was named as the ticket, with nothing attached.