08-24-2011, 09:16 PM
(08-24-2011, 08:32 PM)zenmaster Wrote:You give a clear, distinct definition of what we actually do here. These deterministic properties are the unseen 'floaty' realities of the spirit. The will is only something I decide to put internal focus on.(08-24-2011, 03:36 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: For what purpose would a choice made from ignorance benefit anyone?That is how something new is created from the imagination. It benefits everyone by providing yet another opportunity to express themselves. There is nothing lost in the universe. You - your ideas - serve as a 'logos' for others. That is, what you have made has deterministic properties for others that are seeking in resonance (another word is 'love') with it.
I tend to fall back on the "grand scheme of things" and seek "The Totality" correlations. Meaning, when I say "benefit anyone", I'm referring to benefitting the bubbly concept that I am an eternal soul here to progress via lessons. In that sense, my will would not choose this method, and if the veil is clouding my original choice (as some might say) then it strengthens my opinion that my will is not free.
(08-24-2011, 08:32 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(08-24-2011, 03:36 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: This is why I maintain that Free Will is a mysterious spiritual inheritance. IMO, it is a mind complex creation to label the nature of the spirit complex.The idea is that free will is always available - you are never 'compelled' or 'addicted' or 'enslaved' to some purpose that was not part of your journey in the first place. The idea is to find the path and use the desire and will to experience and promote consciousness as you envision. When you do this, the concept makes sense.
Although, I am enslaved to this path. This consciousness is extremely limiting to what I would envision. The impression I get is not to use the desire and will as I choose, but, rather, use desire and will to manipulate my interpretation of the actual path I am bound to.
I think the concept makes sense, only, as I have described, it is not Free Will but Limited Ability.
(08-24-2011, 08:32 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(08-24-2011, 03:36 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: For what purpose would a choice made from ignorance benefit anyone?That is how something new is created from the imagination. It benefits everyone by providing yet another opportunity to express themselves. There is nothing lost in the universe. You - your ideas - serve as a 'logos' for others. That is, what you have made has deterministic properties for others that are seeking in resonance (another word is 'love') with it.
In light of what I just said, I will try to apply my view to the above (IMO, accurate) depiction of our existence.
Through my 'limited abilities', I create something that feels 'special' to my position at 'now'. Because there are deterministic properties in everything we do, everyone has something new with which to extrapolate via their 'limited abilities' to find 'specialness' within them and their incomprehensible spiritual dynamic, or new determinism all around.