(08-23-2011, 01:20 AM)hogey11 Wrote:And that's your right to not take it seriously, to follow your desire and to interpret any changes as incidental, confirming, pertinent, indicative, as being 'major' or 'minor', as you see fit.(08-23-2011, 12:26 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote:I feel some posters here have argued this point into the ground and they've argued it well, but I don't agree with it.(08-23-2011, 12:14 AM)Raman Wrote: Harvest, 4th density activation, are crucial and pivotal points of the Ra material.
Pivotal points which were unfortunately talked about so vaguely and with such ambiguity which, if nothing "noticeable" happens in 50 years, we could still interpret the Ra material as accurate and keep on hoping for some grand event.
Yes, there is a vagueness to Ra's predictions and explanations; I always refer back to the grocery store analogy Ra gave when speaking of probabilities/possibilities. However, i'm actually quite taken aback by the amount of people who are flat out denying the validity of the harvest itself. Now, many of us here will squeal and squirm and say we're not denying anything, but if we're sitting here 5 years from now without any major changes in the world it will be hard to take this stuff very seriously anymore. Point blank.
(08-23-2011, 01:20 AM)hogey11 Wrote: For myself, I would understand where zen is coming from if the world was calm and moderate; it's not. Extremes of all sorts are coming to the surface, from natural disasters to global economic health. Plutocracy is destroying the first-world economies, and the corruption in business and politics is now blatantly obvious. The world is blowing up; you cannot deny this. The question is going to be: do we recover from this, and are we better off because of it? In this way, I am hopeful that we see the dawn of a new age and the 'death' of our confused minds.Hope and fear are opposites. Projecting hopes into the future does nothing at all to address what is happening, it actually reinforces the illusion (the confused minds) by anticipating that which is not real, but only desired to be so in such and such a manner.
(08-23-2011, 01:20 AM)hogey11 Wrote: If Ra spoke in nothing but allegories like zenmaster concludes, then I am quite unsure of the future.Who concluded that Ra spoke in nothing but allegories? That seems like unsupported projection, or you're being disingenuous.
(08-23-2011, 01:20 AM)hogey11 Wrote: The world needs not to preserve itself at this junction, but instead transform itself to serve many instead of few. Without a big push, we will not get there. Let's hope the harvest is that big push.Yes, maybe it will be 'change we can believe in'. We can turn this thread into a focus group and elicit speculations and fantasy on the matter. The future is enabled from the present, unless we have a huge free-will infringement it will be, to a large extent, based on who we choose to be now - in this moment - not then.
(08-23-2011, 07:19 AM)Edinburgh Wrote: I also see where zen is coming from - we've had so many predictions the past dozen years, the mind boggles. Its not unreasaonble to be slightly sceptical at times.I wonder if you guys have been following Calleman since the beginning (not just in the past couple of years)? Using the (hyper)intuition to project meaningful shapes from ephemeral cloudscapes is, and has been, the primary focus. He created a system, and then constantly reinterprets what it might mean in light of current events. Look, this is precisely the same modality of any divination system. Credence given to it is based on resonance with the particular transformative idea he constantly re-attempts to associate with social circumstances.