Sorry for the incongruity here, as I am poaching this quote from the Oahspe thread that I think is relevant in this thread:
So are you deducing, Quantum, that the reason we see such a wide discrepancy between the Ra material and Oahspe is due to the intent of said SMC in question's desire to protect some degree of freewill? The concept that I am trying to extract here is the seeming paradox that two social memory complexes from the same confederation would draw different conclusions about what requires protection from free will violation? (I.e. RA takes reincarnation as a given assumption when providing the information for TLOO books. The SMC that gave Oahspe does not(??)) This paradox of course presented with the assumption that this indeed is the cause of discrepancy between the works, and not some other cause (e.g. interfering STS source).
It seems like that would be a stretch considering the purpose of a confederation in the first place is to work together as a group. (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/confederation)
Just more (delicious, healthy, but not yet satisfying) food for thought.
I may be speaking without enough background education on the bible, but wasn't it more of a compilation of works from many sources over some time, not one continuously streamed work in a relatively short time such as we know TLOO to be? If so it may not be a good example of comparison since it may not be possible to think of it in terms of being 'passed' by the confederation, being that it was not one solid body of work.
I believe Quantum was speaking to the rather sizable difference of premise regarding reincarnation. Since the concept of reincarnation is a base concept to be understood before learning more about TLOO (I feel it safe to say), so that we may call the teachings in Oahspe to be 'severely distorted'. Or depending on your opinion, the TLOO being severely distorted!
Well I think that's a bit of an extreme next step to take. Just because the goal is to promote the least distorted information possible doesn't mean that the purpose of the veil has been or should be compromised. My understanding of the veil is to prevent us from having proof of god, so that we might learn in an environment of unknowing, and thereby accelerate our learning. Works such as TLOO seem to only reach those who call for it consciously or unconsciously. And even then it is in no way proof.
I only want to point out here that it is only our opinions that TLOO does not have many distortions. I know we are of like mind here, so this is perhaps fluff on my part, but it's good to stay objective.
I agree with parts of your thought here and disagree with others. Bear in mind that Ra states that they have been looking for the appropriate group to bring their information through to for 'some of your years'. Well, actually several thousand years. My interpretation from this is that indeed there are high standards to be met for contact / channeling / instrumentation.
Yet on the other hand I agree with your larger point / example about the calculus vs. arithmetic students. It is well made.
I just wanted to quickly comment that this statement has a very high level of resonance with me. I have coincidentally been thinking along these very lines heavily over the last few weeks, and in mini-debates I have with a friend of mine. My friend is obsessed over the nature of evil in society, and lately I have been maintaining that both good and evil are perspective choices for each individual. Certainly aspects of my life and belief system that I deem 'good' are evil for another. And so to use the timeless statement "One man's trash is another man's treasure" holds true. And when applied through TLOO, Ra constantly repeats that all is one, polarity is therfore ultimately an illusion, the creator desires to know all things... etc.
I'm beginning to figure this stuff out. (finally)
(08-26-2009, 01:11 PM)Quantum Wrote: Once again, "Angels dancing on the head of a pin." Lazazza and I then were speaking to the term "peppered" as regards an information being transmitted as being 'partially veiled', this in my opinion so as to not infringe upon free will. I then purposefully attempted to split hairs with an intent so as to draw the distinction between "willful misinformation/misrepresentation" vs "partially veiled" (to protect free will) vs the normal amount of distortion assumed on any given transmission being "interpreted".
So are you deducing, Quantum, that the reason we see such a wide discrepancy between the Ra material and Oahspe is due to the intent of said SMC in question's desire to protect some degree of freewill? The concept that I am trying to extract here is the seeming paradox that two social memory complexes from the same confederation would draw different conclusions about what requires protection from free will violation? (I.e. RA takes reincarnation as a given assumption when providing the information for TLOO books. The SMC that gave Oahspe does not(??)) This paradox of course presented with the assumption that this indeed is the cause of discrepancy between the works, and not some other cause (e.g. interfering STS source).
It seems like that would be a stretch considering the purpose of a confederation in the first place is to work together as a group. (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/confederation)
Just more (delicious, healthy, but not yet satisfying) food for thought.
(08-26-2009, 03:46 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Where does that leave the Bible? Did the Bible 'pass?' Portions of it could arguably be considered an STS manual, while other portions do, according to Ra, contain elements of the Law of One. So is it an STS manual peppered with STO, or vice versa? Or simply mixed polarity that didn't pass? We know that there was a huge Yahweh scandal, so it's obvious how so much of it got distorted. Yet, Ra never (to my knowledge) explicitly commented on whether it had 'passed' or not, or just how distorted it actually ended up.
I may be speaking without enough background education on the bible, but wasn't it more of a compilation of works from many sources over some time, not one continuously streamed work in a relatively short time such as we know TLOO to be? If so it may not be a good example of comparison since it may not be possible to think of it in terms of being 'passed' by the confederation, being that it was not one solid body of work.
(08-26-2009, 03:46 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Why must you believe that? Where is the precedent? Which other works has Ra declared 'severely distorted?'
I believe Quantum was speaking to the rather sizable difference of premise regarding reincarnation. Since the concept of reincarnation is a base concept to be understood before learning more about TLOO (I feel it safe to say), so that we may call the teachings in Oahspe to be 'severely distorted'. Or depending on your opinion, the TLOO being severely distorted!
(08-26-2009, 03:46 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Secondly, if the goal was to have all such attempts have all wrinkles (distortions) ironed out beforehand, then what would be the purpose of the veil? Why not just rend the veil and be done with it?
Well I think that's a bit of an extreme next step to take. Just because the goal is to promote the least distorted information possible doesn't mean that the purpose of the veil has been or should be compromised. My understanding of the veil is to prevent us from having proof of god, so that we might learn in an environment of unknowing, and thereby accelerate our learning. Works such as TLOO seem to only reach those who call for it consciously or unconsciously. And even then it is in no way proof.
(08-26-2009, 03:46 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Thirdly, I don't think the Confederation entities have nearly as much to do with the purity of the info as the recipient of said info. In other words, the Law of One ended up being remarkably (relatively) free from distortions not because of any review process, but simply and solely because of the integrity of the channel/questioner/facilitator team (our dear Carla, Don and Jim). Had they been less 'conscientious' (as Ra referred to them), there surely would have been more distortions.
I only want to point out here that it is only our opinions that TLOO does not have many distortions. I know we are of like mind here, so this is perhaps fluff on my part, but it's good to stay objective.
(08-26-2009, 03:46 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: This does not negate the purity of the info or the integrity of the Confederation entity providing the info. Conversely, if, for example, the Oahspe channel was perhaps less conscientious, or, for whatever reason, more prone to coloration of the channeled info, would the Confederation source have denied the contact because the channel failed to reach a certain threshold of required clarity? I think not. I think Confederation entities have answered the call of many countless entities over millennia, with varying degrees of clarity/distortion, but were simply delighted to find the L/L team so configured, thus allowing a communication more complete and free from distortion than any other ever previously attempted. But this does not negate the value of previous contacts, which were undoubtedly useful to those people at that particular time in their evolution. They wouldn't have been ready for more advanced knowledge anyway, just as a child isn't ready for calculus. That Ra finally found some calculus students does not in any way minimize or demean the many arithmetic students previously taught.
I agree with parts of your thought here and disagree with others. Bear in mind that Ra states that they have been looking for the appropriate group to bring their information through to for 'some of your years'. Well, actually several thousand years. My interpretation from this is that indeed there are high standards to be met for contact / channeling / instrumentation.
Yet on the other hand I agree with your larger point / example about the calculus vs. arithmetic students. It is well made.
(08-26-2009, 03:46 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: what determines the polarity is our CHOICE.
I just wanted to quickly comment that this statement has a very high level of resonance with me. I have coincidentally been thinking along these very lines heavily over the last few weeks, and in mini-debates I have with a friend of mine. My friend is obsessed over the nature of evil in society, and lately I have been maintaining that both good and evil are perspective choices for each individual. Certainly aspects of my life and belief system that I deem 'good' are evil for another. And so to use the timeless statement "One man's trash is another man's treasure" holds true. And when applied through TLOO, Ra constantly repeats that all is one, polarity is therfore ultimately an illusion, the creator desires to know all things... etc.
I'm beginning to figure this stuff out. (finally)