Waking up "out of body"

[Bring4th_Austin]

Is there any way to make a picture of the symbol you're seeing available to us?

These are very rough depictions. Symbol is a term I use pretty loosely, they don't seem to "represent" anything, they seem rather random, but they are very very distinct, directly in the middle of my vision, and they are animated.

The first two times, I saw something along the lines of this:


All of the lines were moving, sort of twisting and tangling while keeping their distinct angles and corners.

The most recent time I saw this:


They were no longer tangles but they still moved, sort of waving up and down.

They were very distinctly black and pretty small, about the size of my thumbnail if I hold my hand out all the way in front of me. They seem rather random and pointless but it's hard for me to think that they didn't mean something, considering they were so distinct and appeared every time this happened.

Also, just for consideration, I'm a hearing little bit of 'victim' in how you're conveying your experience and what I think was a freudian slip with regard to Carla's experience ... you said 'involuntarily' instead of 'voluntarily', as if she were trancing against her will ... you may want to look at that.

You're right, involuntarily may not be the right word, but the terminology is actually taken straight from Jim's foreward in Book V of the Law of One:

But in the Ra contact she involuntarily went into trance, and could not tune in
that way, so we were glad when, at the end of the second session, Ra gave us
the ritual of walking the Circle of One to replace the challenging procedure
used in telepathic channeling since in all sessions after the first two Carla
was immediately in the trance state, out of her body, and unaware of any
activity whatsoever. None of us ever discovered how she was able to
accomplish this trance state and the leaving of her body. It was apparently a
pre-incarnatively chosen ability chosen to aid in the contact with Ra. Our
meditation before each session was our group process of tuning.

I think what he means by involuntarily is the fact that she didn't have to try to go into trance with any sort of method. All she had to do was request Ra, and she would slip into trance.



Also I can see where you are getting a victim tone from my explanations. I don't necessarily feel like a victim, it just feels odd to me that this is happening to me without any sort of conscious request or thought. Maybe the fact that I don't feel like I have the time it would take to understand this right now is adding to the perception that this isn't something I really want to experience right now. However, thank you for reminding me that I should not look at this as something that is imposed upon me.