07-14-2011, 11:09 AM
(This post was last modified: 07-15-2011, 03:07 AM by Tenet Nosce.)
(07-14-2011, 10:58 AM)Pickle Wrote: Your current reality is density specific.
Densities are nested within one another, and interpenetrate. The only difference is whether or not they are active, or perceived. We have the potential to move through the gateway to Intelligent Infinity, and retrieve information that informs our actions here in 3D.
Your Higher Self in 6D exists simultaneously with your ego self in 3D. They are connected.
Pickle Wrote:Meaning, if your conscious awareness never changes, you stay exactly where you are.
OK but I don't see how that is connected to the first sentence. Conscious awareness changes due to higher density influences. If there were no 4D penetrating into 3D, then there would be no way to get from "here" to "there".
Pickle Wrote:The mantra of "all is one, it does not matter" is rationalizing the path of least resistance.
Repeating a quip line when faced with a paradox is the path of least resistance. Actually, no, I wouldn't purport to be able to discern which path, in fact, is actually the one of least resistance. How do you discern that, Pickle? How do you know about how difficult another's path may be? And where did you get the idea that life was meant to be difficult, anyway?
If what you say is true, then how do YOU rationalize people who believe "all is one, it does not matter" AND don't take the path of least resistance AND who do serve others?
(07-14-2011, 03:31 AM)Pickle Wrote: A bit like ecosystems we take over. When we kill off the native predators certain animals will overpopulate and things get out of hand. Not much different from the internal environment.
(07-14-2011, 03:31 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:I haven't had to deal with it, so I would not know. Most common form of cleansing internal ailments are grasses and leaf greens. You will see this when dogs eat grass, it is simply to get damaging substances out of their insides. I have not heard of anything that high fiber green intake would not deal with.(07-14-2011, 03:29 AM)Pickle Wrote: The young lady has an immune problem, as a result of long term health issues. When you destroy your body that much even dirt is as dangerous as fruit sugar. Eliminate the immune system and almost anything will kill you, including your own bacteria.
Yeah, that could be true. What would you suggest as a reasonable approach to diet to improve her immune system?
OK. I will offer that and see if she accepts.
(07-14-2011, 09:55 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: The media notoriously twists facts. They grab ahold of 1 little detail and blow it out of proportion, for sensationalism. I just quoted some examples of this in another thread, but don't have time right now to find it. Stories originally appearing in Associated Press, for example, get their headlines revamped and made more sensationalistic before being presented on FAUX News or other US media. Happens all the time.
Of course. I am just saying that we don't really know, do we? Just like it would be unwise to take every news story at face value, so would it be unwise to dismiss every report of harm from veganism out of hand, based upon your belief it its' inherent righteousness. I will go with the Buddha here and take the Middle Path.
Bring4th_Monica Wrote:Thank you for clarifying that you don't think:
VEGANISM = ZEALOTRY
Which is what I wondered.
Oh no! lol. Well I'm glad that finally got cleared up! Veganism is a lifestyle behavior; zealotry is a mental framework for lifestyle behavior. Veganism is the program; zealotry is the operating system. The dominant vibration is the operating system. It doesn't matter how GREAT the program is, if the operating system is incapable of running the program as intended.
I see a lot of "lightworkers" desperately trying to get people to accept a new program, and feeling frustrated when it doesn't take, or when it becomes highly distorted. I mean... if that is their supposed "life mission" then why would the Universe set them up to fail? :-/ No, the problem is that the new program won't run correctly on the old operating system.
I would invite my well-intentioned brothers and sisters consider setting aside their causes for a short while, and join together in seeing what we can do to get the new operating system up and running before "time" runs out on 3D. Just a suggestion, of course.
[Remember that scene in Matrix:Revolutions where the machines stop attacking, and are floating around Zion waiting for Neo to negotiate a deal with the Mainframe? I think that there will be a point in the transition from 3D to 4D that is kind of like that. A point where everybody stops fighting each other, even the activists, and focuses on things we can all agree on. And what can we all agree on? Well how about that everything is connected? Certainly we can get the vast majority of people on board with that. Let's see what happens if we start there. I, of course, could be mistaken.]
The only reason I keep using vegetarianism/veganism as an example is because it is generally (not always) tied to a philosophical principle of harmlessness. So I think it is especially poignant when somebody who THINKS they are being harmless, is actually causing great harm. This occurs because they have elevated a philosophical principle to an absolutist doctrine.
It isn't a personal attack on you. That just sometimes happens to be the fallout when somebody identifies so strongly with a cause.
Quote:I agree with the gist of what you're saying. Some things, taken too far, can be dangerous. Yes, I agree with that. Fanatics with guns are dangerous. Fanatics citing Bibles are dangerous.
So yes, I see your point. A fanatic can take a perfectly healthy diet and twist it and it becomes something dangerous, especially for a baby.
I see. So if you go back and substitute "fanatic" for "zealot" in my posts, you might get a different read from them.
ZEALOT = FANATIC
Quote:But, the point you seem to be missing is:
The point you seem to be missing is that it is the zealotry/fanaticism that caused them to implement some WILDLY distorted view of veganism, as you mentioned. Somewhere along the way, the insane person encountered a vegan, who themselves may have been so overzealous in their mission to convert others to their cause, that they OVERLOOKED the possibility that their new convert did not UNDERSTAND how to implement veganism in a healthy way. Ergo, unintended consequences, and the Law of Responsibility.
When said insane people wander the earth looking for something to believe in, they don't generally run into people like you or me who would offer a balanced view. (Or God forbid somebody who encourages them to trust in their own innate wisdom to discern truth :idea: )They run into other insane people, who believe it is their "God-given mission" in life to preach from the pulpits, whether it be veganism or anything else.
When news journalists need to get an angle on their story, they too, will go for the extremist view, and then try to pass that off as the norm.
Doesn't that ruffle your feathers? What if you learned of a new Kangen water dealer in your area who was spreading all manner of distortion about what it is and how it works? What if they put up a website making claims that, not only can people live off of Kangen water alone, but that it will cure EVERY disease, and REVERSE the aging process? And then next thing you know, there is a news story featuring the Kangen zealot, loudly proselytizing as if their view was representative of ALL Kangen water dealers? And now somebody comes in and tries to BAN Kangen water, or imprison the dealers for "fraud". Would you just leave it be? Or..?
Quote:I don't think so. If the parents had a SAD diet, diet wouldn't even have been mentioned.
Probably not. But this doesn't mean that we don't already KNOW about the health effects of the SAD diet. Only thing is: telling people that it is "bad" for them is a demonstrably ineffective strategy for changing their behavior.
These people need a new operating system. THEN we can talk about which programs to load.
Bring4th_Monica Wrote:A person isn't a zealot for feeling strongly about a particular issue or cause. A person is a zealot if they try to force that view on others thru violence, intense pressure, or some other unwanted measure.
Right! You can pretty much pick any cause out of a hat, and find somebody who is willing to uphold the cause through violent means. Even some "pacifist" animal rights activists, as I'm sure you know.
Now in every group of people supporting a cause there is an interface, or interaction, between the rational people and the fanatics of the group. Yes?
What concerns me is when the rational people sort of look the other way and ignore the extremist minority of their own cause. (I am not saying this is you.) What I am suggesting is that, in the grand scheme of things, that small minority of fanatics is actually doing more to depolarize the cause than all of the big multinational conglomerates put together. OK so there is really only one big multinational conglomerate.
So the "enemy" is within. It may appear to an activist that they are fighting the system, but what they are actually fighting is the system's reaction to fanatics/zealots within their own group. If there wasn't anybody taking it to the extreme, then there would be no foothold for somebody else to come in and try to make an example out of them.
[As long as Neo believed he was The One, and that his purpose was to destroy the Matrix Control System, there was no real hope, only false promises of salvation. Only when Neo turned his attention to what was going on in the REAL world, among his OWN PEOPLE, did he find the TRUE obstacle to peace in the world.]
Put another way, I think that if a vegetarian activist took the "should" and the "wrong" out of their message, i.e. scrap that "eating animals is wrong, therefore you shouldn't eat them" they would actually be MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE at promoting their cause, and thus contributing to the possibility of "one fine moment of inspiration".
I am also saying that, when one finds themselves in the incredibly fortunate position of having access to a mid-6th density entity, to ALSO leave "should" and "wrong" out of the query if they are interested in receiving the best possible response. If 6th density entities refrain from using those words, maybe we can take that as a clue to how they operate mentally, and use that as a pointer to a more enlightened view on life. Ra does not appear to see a contradiction between "there is no right and wrong" and "serving others". Perhaps there is some wisdom in there for us to discern.
Zealots and fanatics are drawn to "should" and "wrong" like flies to feces. Because that's how they propagate their flawed belief system. "Should" and "wrong" lead to UNFORESEEN CONSEQUENCES in others, when invoked by an otherwise well-meaning individual.
And, as I am sure any student of the Law of One would know, failure to foresee the consequences does not absolve one from taking responsibility for their actions. Neither does well-meaning-ness protect one against said consequences.
If you leave some manure out in your yard, intending for it to eventually nourish your garden, but instead a fly comes by and lays their eggs in it, eventually the fly's offspring will come and invade your home, and you will be responsible for that. Not the manure. Not the fly. Not the Planetary Logos.