1984.04.15 First Hatonn Contact After Ra

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I would like to now discuss this session, presumably the first one after Don's suicide.

There are two distinct parts to the session. In the first Carla is channeling Hatonn:

[quote=Hatonn]I greet you in the love and the light of the infinite Creator. It is a great pleasure to speak through this instrument once again and to be with each of you. This instrument was reluctant to begin, however each other instrument was more reluctant than she, desiring in common to hear our words through this instrument. Therefore, although this instrument is somewhat fatigued, we find the instrument most receptive and we are grateful for the opportunity to share our thoughts with you for you are our beloved friends, and there is no greater pleasure than in your companionship. From you we have learned so much. We thank you and bless you and offer, as always, to be with each of you, for the Confederation wishes to be of service even as we find ourselves served in the doing of this humble service.

So we know that Carla is reluctant to continue channeling after all that has happened. But there appears to be some pressure from... whom?

Also this: "From you we have learned so much." What, exactly, had Hatonn learned from the group? I would like to know! I think this gets back to the reason why Ra intervened on Hatonn elucidated in my thread on the Last Hatonn Contact Before Ra.

We find in the instrument’s mind a phrase which passed her ears this day. It is from your holy works and concerns the teacher you know as Jesus. It was said of him in this writing, “He can save others; himself he cannot save.” This is a greatly misunderstood portion of the writing which surrounds a greatly distorted telling of this teacher’s life and work. We shall explore it with you with your permission.

Stuck in Carla's mind, and clouding the channel, are somebody's words she heard speaking that day about somebody else's words about the life of Jesus and how his work was distorted. This gets back to my comments about the distortion of Jesus' message in More Positive but Less Harvestable. Who was that person, I wonder? Did they get the precious confirmation they were looking for when Hatonn spoke the same words that they had spoken to Carla?

Hatonn offers to explore it with their permission. Though I don't see anywhere in the transcript that permission was granted.

When the most rigorously unselfish person begins to heal, that person comes up against one of the great paradoxes of life of service to others, and that is this, my friends: beyond a certain point, giving to others robs the self. Therefore a life of perfect service to others removes the self. That is what occurred to the teacher known to you as Jesus. This teacher literally could not save himself, for perfect compassion had expressed itself in his incarnation. And in perfect compassion lies the decision to lay down the life for others. Each of you is at this time living a life of imperfect compassion by the standards set by the one known as Jesus. No matter how beatific and angelic your thoughts, how pure your motives, there is an instinctual sense of the preservation of the self. We wish you to accept this as a balanced and unquestionably necessary frame of mind as you pursue your path of service. If you give all, if you lay down your life continuously, you become literally too fine to withstand this illusion, and therefore you offer yourself as sacrifice for many …

(Sound of cats snarling.)

I am snarling along with the cats, here! And yawning.

I don't really agree at all with what Hatonn has to say here. Not past the first two sentences at most. I think Carla's mental fixation on Jesus is overtaking the session, and possibly corrupting the channel. Either that, or Hatonn, themselves is a sort of very early 4D energy, and somewhat susceptible to loving folly.

Jesus could not save himself, says... who? Why is Hatonn addressing this seemingly pressing question? Why does it need to be so urgently resolved in Carla's mind, before she can continue with the session?

Seriously, if whomever that person was that felt the need to make the session about Jesus ever happens to come across this post, I would like you to take responsibility for your actions. I think Carla deserves at least an apology. Maybe you and Jesus can help with her surgery bills as well.

Pardon our delay, but the instrument was laughing. We wish to assure you that in no way do we suggest the kind of enlightened self-interest, as this instrument would call it, that causes one to become separate and apart from others, judgmental, or in any way a stumbling block. Indeed, one can come very close to complete service to others and still remain within this illusion. But if all others are the Creator, are not you the Creator also, and is not the heart of your work your own worth? Therefore, we ask each of you not to lose that center of joy, happiness, peace, the gifts of the spirit of light which are given to you in meditation and are your birthright.

Let us dwell now upon this joy, for we would wish that you would feel more fully that which you wish to give.

Whoa, Nellie! Pardon our delay, but the instrument was laughing?! Now where did "enlightened self-interest" enter into the discussion, and why is Hatonn so urgent to point out that it is not what they were suggesting. To whom?

The next thing that comes from Hatonn is this sort of beatific rant that is filled with all the sort of empty platitudes I found in church as a child.

Look, even Hatonn says here at the end:

[quote]We leave you with the promise of our return whenever you would wish it.

Ah. The enigmatic "false promise" of return. If Hatonn could come and go as they pleased, then what was the whole Ra intervention about, anyway?[/quote]

it is arguable that Ra had 'intervened'. you are taking initiation of Ra contact as an intervention. that is no decisive conclusion, especially without any solid reasoning behind it.

in addition, what they say is not a 'false promise' of return - indeed, if someone wishes, they can return, because it is the mechanic which governs the calling.

Carla doesn't seem to want to accept that there is no clear-cut answer. There is no absolute principle from which to discern appropriate ethical behavior, but for the Law of One.

alright then start enslaving people and claim you are polarizing positively, because there is no absolute principle from which to discern appropriate ethical behavior but for the Law of One.

law of 'one' becomes law of 'one' at the point where everything is 'one'. you are not at that point, but an earlier continuum in which there is future, past, and a lot of other things.

you need to choose a path and walk it - and there are paths. the very definition of a path, is unfortunately something straight and narrow, just like how it is defined below :

http://lawofone.info/results.php?search_...&ss=1&sc=1

in short ; there are dos, and donts for arriving at a certain location at the end of a path. of course you are at liberty to choose any path you like, and change your path however often you want, however without actually walking the path that was chosen, no waypoint will be reached.

making attributions to a future point in time, wont change that fact. if it was as such, there would be no path, no requirement, no this or that, and people could just progress by doing random things.

It is actually causing me to feel physically angry right now the level of twisted abuse that was committed here by "brother upon sister" and "sister upon sister". All under the false guise of Love! I've seen this kind of thing go down in a channeling group. Never to anywhere near this degree. But the demons are always there, ready to pounce. Disguised as angels, of course.

i think that you are exaggerating. but, i am not precisely sure what you are railing against. if, you boil it down to very basic principles and pose an argument, maybe it would help discussing it in its core levels.