In regards to eating meat

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Yup. Looks like a masterpiece of evangelical work to me. Say, when Jesus comes back is he going to send all the meat eaters to Hell too?

What is your point? That Markus is a zealot? Just because he's passionate about his views, in the same way you are passionate about your views on war?

Why wouldn't he be passionate? People are getting healed from the raw vegan diet, and Markus is just doing what he believes in, just as we all are, at this crucial nexus.

Alright, now would be my turn to respectfully ask you to consider your own incongruence here.

Firstly, why is it OK to fear, guilt, and shame people into doing the "right" thing? Why does "passion" give somebody a free pass to be manipulative of others?

Secondly, I would offer that folks like Markus should seriously consider what the impact of their message is on people like those featured in the news stories who obviously don't have the common sense to know when to throw a philosophical principle out the window.

There is a connection here. We are all connected, remember? Group mind, right? Absolutism on the part of one charismatic leader results in ignorance and zealotry in their followers. And we all know where that leads. Please don't make me bust out a 5th grade history book to prove that one.

Thirdly, when people like Markus loudly proclaim health benefits that are not substantiated by scientific evidence, i.e. "Stop Aging + Heal Everything" all it does is create fodder for Big Pharma and their FDA cronies to launch attacks on legitimate practitioners of natural medicine. Thanks, but no thanks, Markus. We have enough difficulties already. But, you know, just to try it out maybe the next time a 250 lb patient with heart disease and diabetes walks into my office I will tell them that there is NO HOPE for them unless they commit to a 100% raw vegan diet. Just maybe, that is the best way to serve them after all.

My argument here, all along, which seems to have been largely IGNORED, is NOT at all that people should eat meat, or that vegetarianism ISN'T a good idea. Go back and look at the posts, because if you think that's what I have been saying, it is a total projection on your part.

What I have been saying is that trying to base vegetarianism on an absolutist philosophical doctrine of harmlessness does not hold water. As evidenced by this very thread! It just goes ON and ON and ON and the debate will obviously never be resolved. Why? Because there is no clear and concise answer. There is no hard line to draw in the sand. There is no way for a physical body to subsist in 3D without taking the life of another living being. There IS, however, a way for people to subsist in 3D without killing each other in acts of war.

I mean, I don't AT ALL like the heinous and disgusting practices found in the average American slaughterhouse. But seriously, how disrespectful to a human being who has fought tooth and nail over MILLIONS OF YEARS to achieve a human state of consciousness to equate them to an animal whose entire natural life would consist of eating grass, pooping, belching, and occasionally mating.

An animal life has nowhere NEAR the potential for choice, spiritual growth, and polarization that a human life does. This much should be obvious. Attempts to draw a parallel between the murder of a human being and the slaughter of an animal are REALLY stretching it. This might be the same thing in your mind, and you are entitled to your opinion, but clearly most people don't agree. Including many other thoughtful people here on this forum.

Why isn't it enough to simply promote a plant-based diet ala Dr. Joel Fuhrman? Why isn't it enough to point to the obvious advantages to the health of the human being, and the planet, to eat nutritionally-dense foods and to leave it at that? Can't we just trust that, as people incorporate more nutritious foods in their diet that they will eventually come to crave them instead of red meat?

No that's not enough for some. They will not rest until everybody's diet is 100% meat free. Why? Because they are basing their view on a flawed philosophical principle. AND because they are (again) filtering this philosophy of harmlessness down through an absolutist Judaeo-Christian-Muslim belief system which sees NO CONTRADICTION in using low-vibration tactics in an attempt to raise the vibration of others.

Do you know what it is called when people frame a loving message with fear? Emotional abuse. So let's emotionally abuse our human brothers and sisters in an attempt to stop the physical abuse of our animal friends. That kind of thinking can only make sense in the mind of one who, themselves, is being abused by somebody who supposedly loves them.

Sorry, but I'm calling bullshit.

I eat vegetarian at least two days a week. The rest of the time I mostly eat seafood or organic chicken. About once a week I will have some beef or lamb. I don't have one iota of concern whatsoever about the supposed spiritual repercussions of this behavior.