07-08-2011, 01:00 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-08-2011, 01:36 PM by Bring4th_Austin.)
Thank you very much for the insights Unity. I will perhaps be able to respond in full later, but I wanted to point out one factor.
I am not dismissing the idea of sub-octaves within the 2D density. I view them as being relevant to the group consciousness of the species. For example, the goat group consciousness exists at a certain suboctave, and gains in octaves through the experiences the goats bring back to it. Same with a plant.
We can see evidence in this by which animals we keep as pets. The most popular would be cats and dogs, which I would consider basically in the end of the sub-octaves in 2D. This is why they are so easily inspirited, because they are already on the verge. We keep them as pets because it is so easy to apply personification to them, because they are closest to reaching self-awareness. Other pets people keep are not nearly as easy to apply a visage of self-awareness to, like certain rodents, birds, reptiles, etc.
We might also derive this from the fact that a particular species evolved self awareness rather than being invested by 3D beings. When a being is inspirited through investment, it does not travel back to the group consciousness. Otherwise, even at a high suboctave of 2D, the entity will travel back to the group consciousness, until that group consciousness is elevated past the last suboctave to 3D. Otherwise, how does a particular species evolve to 3D, rather than an individual?
I'm not necessarily saying that that the group consciousness does not contain individuals either. But these individuals are not self-aware, they don't realize that they are individuals, they exist as part of the group rather than individuals.
I don't quite follow your idea that some of may goats my be harvestable 3D. Gandalf had the possibility of reincarnating with L/L to be with the people he loved. My goats have never shown love in the level of a house-pet. Like I said, even our bottle-fed babies that we had to raise ourselves, spending more time with them as we would a house pet, don't exemplify the love shown by our house pets. Some animals like goats can be trained to be "house pets" through intense psychological conditioning, but there's a reason people, as a majority, keep the species of pets we do. They're already close to individuation as a species, not as individuals. If there were such a variety of levels of 2D consciousness within group consciousness, we'd be able to keep any sort of species as a house pet as long as we found one close enough to true individuation. And, we would not be able to keep cats and dogs as house pets as such a majority, because we couldn't guarantee that we could make them behave in a manner similar to us. There are exceptions as far as psychological conditioning and genetics goes, but I'm talking about the majority.
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Also, I know you don't normally like to get too personal, so don't feel obligated to answer this, but I'm extremely curious as to what your particular diet is. How does someone like you with such conviction on these views sustain themselves?
I am not dismissing the idea of sub-octaves within the 2D density. I view them as being relevant to the group consciousness of the species. For example, the goat group consciousness exists at a certain suboctave, and gains in octaves through the experiences the goats bring back to it. Same with a plant.
We can see evidence in this by which animals we keep as pets. The most popular would be cats and dogs, which I would consider basically in the end of the sub-octaves in 2D. This is why they are so easily inspirited, because they are already on the verge. We keep them as pets because it is so easy to apply personification to them, because they are closest to reaching self-awareness. Other pets people keep are not nearly as easy to apply a visage of self-awareness to, like certain rodents, birds, reptiles, etc.
We might also derive this from the fact that a particular species evolved self awareness rather than being invested by 3D beings. When a being is inspirited through investment, it does not travel back to the group consciousness. Otherwise, even at a high suboctave of 2D, the entity will travel back to the group consciousness, until that group consciousness is elevated past the last suboctave to 3D. Otherwise, how does a particular species evolve to 3D, rather than an individual?
I'm not necessarily saying that that the group consciousness does not contain individuals either. But these individuals are not self-aware, they don't realize that they are individuals, they exist as part of the group rather than individuals.
I don't quite follow your idea that some of may goats my be harvestable 3D. Gandalf had the possibility of reincarnating with L/L to be with the people he loved. My goats have never shown love in the level of a house-pet. Like I said, even our bottle-fed babies that we had to raise ourselves, spending more time with them as we would a house pet, don't exemplify the love shown by our house pets. Some animals like goats can be trained to be "house pets" through intense psychological conditioning, but there's a reason people, as a majority, keep the species of pets we do. They're already close to individuation as a species, not as individuals. If there were such a variety of levels of 2D consciousness within group consciousness, we'd be able to keep any sort of species as a house pet as long as we found one close enough to true individuation. And, we would not be able to keep cats and dogs as house pets as such a majority, because we couldn't guarantee that we could make them behave in a manner similar to us. There are exceptions as far as psychological conditioning and genetics goes, but I'm talking about the majority.
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Also, I know you don't normally like to get too personal, so don't feel obligated to answer this, but I'm extremely curious as to what your particular diet is. How does someone like you with such conviction on these views sustain themselves?
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