More Positive but Less Harvestable

[Tenet Nosce]

The subject is seemingly micro though. "what about Patton?" What does it mean what Ra said about Patton? The question Don asks, in itself, is not a Divine question. It is a question that comes from behind the veil, our 3d illusion, and forgive me please, but it is also a naive, and the answer that Ra gives suites, basically an answer for a child to ponder. A childish question. A childish answer. I sometimes wonder if Ra is still stuck in his naive mistake himself. Answering the questions asked, knowing that the answers will be distorted, on purpose, to create catalyst. He never lies. He leaves it up to us to figure out.

These are all very good and intriguing observations. How the quality of the question affects the quality of the answer, and even the quality of some people's discussion about it on the Internet 30 years later. This deserves it's own thread!

We live here in the "here and now". Whatever a 6d or a 5d or a 4d being is suppose to do has nothing at all to do with where we are in the here and now.

I get your gist, but aren't the 6D, 5D, 4D beings also in the here and now? Also this discussion is taken in the context of what the criteria are necessary to graduate from 3D to 4D.

As far as Patton, in the micro, God bless him for being loyal to his 3d reality. Not many have the gumpsion to be purely true to the illusion as we all agreed to do. We wouldn't be here otherwise without the agreement we made. Don't make the mistake that he is distorted with "war mongering". He was true to his mission, and the will of his 3d brothers, even though it sucks, and to his own detriment.

By this point, I regret poor Patton being a part of this discussion at all. As I said, it was the example given in the material. The question got raised as to what could have held Patton back. I offered an explanation. I am really not attached to my explanation, though an alternative has not been offered.

I don't really have any idea what was going on in Patton's inner world. So it is really pointless to speculate. All I was trying to get at is that I don't believe the mentality which says, "I don't agree with what you are doing, so I am going to kill you." is consistent with what I conceive to be the values of a 4D/positive society. I'm not really sure why that would create such an uproar in the first place.

To assume that all who participate are evil doers is naive self indulgance. For most, War finds them, and not the other way around.

I will admit I did not have those people in the forefront of my mind when I made those comments. But I didn't say that all people who participate in war are evil doers. I only said that my heart doesn't bleed too much for them.

Look, you can package it up however you want, but in the end war comes down to the fundamental idea that "I need to kill you in order to get what I want/need from life." That is inclusive of the want/need being safety or protection from others.

All I am saying is that particular mentality belongs here in 3D, behind the veil. Along with the idea that in order for me to have something I want, somebody else has to have what they want taken away. Now that's naivete 101 in my schoolbook.

I didn't say it was wrong, or evil, just not compatible with 4D/positive. Killing as a means to an end seems to me to be more of a 4D/negative value. Obviously, both views exist here in 3D.

If you would like to offer a scenario where people are killing each other in a 4D/positive world, by all means share. Cause my mind just doesn't seem to be able to wrap itself around the idea.

I'm happy to report that I know personally many innocent women and children that are truely thankful for my commitment to them. Their persicuters, not so much.

Well I don't doubt that one bit. Nor do I think you are evil for having been there. I want to be very clear about that.

There is nothing to prepare you for the reality of war, of killing other selves. Who new?

Who knew? Well just about everybody that has ever gone to war. That's who. Our ancestors, our parents, our children, our brothers and sisters. You can hardly look around this place for more than a few minutes without being reminded about the travesty of war.

I haven't come across a book yet where somebody is talking about how happy and joyful they are about killing other human beings. Nor have I met a veteran of any war who expresses happiness and joy for having participated. Everybody I have talked to found war to be a very deeply troubling experience that came with many negative consequences.

That some people have managed to take such experiences and distill them into anything positive whatsoever is a testament to the tenacity of their soul, and near miraculous in my opinion.

When I talk about war mongers I am not referring to kids who enlist in the armed forces hoping to make a difference in the world. I am talking about grown men who plot and plan war as a business venture, or to further their career, or to simply stroke their own egos. It may be hard for some to accept, but those people are out there. There are people who think making war is a funny game. They look at all the people killing each other and laugh. The reason that they have been able to continue doing what they are doing is because they have become exceedingly effective at convincing other people that war is an inevitability. A foregone conclusion in the history of men.

The truth is that war is a deeply sorrowful thing, and humanity has known this for as long as we have been here. The first known account of war is the Mahabharata which is as old as civilization itself. Ironically, the first blood was shed on the very same land which is now the disputed border between Pakistan and Afghanistan. But I digress.

Tenet, being who you are, where you've been, was your question inline with the answer you were looking for?

Which question? I thought I was making a statement! I will tentatively say no. lol

So being who you are, where you've been, is war something you would bring to 4D with you if given the choice?