06-21-2011, 09:39 AM
βαθμιαίος, you've come through with the right quote at the right time twice now. Thank you!
It makes no sense that only the negative entity can, by contact with intelligent infinity, harvest itself prior to the 25,000 year window. Why would the Logos deny the opportunity to those of the positive polarity?
Furthermore, there is this:
Questioner: What density is the entity known as Jesus in now?
Ra: I am Ra. This information is harmless though unimportant. This entity studies now the lessons of the wisdom vibration, the fifth-density, also called the light vibration.
http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=17&ss=1#21
Apparently Jesus found his way out of the third-density illusion prior to the closing of the major cycle of third density.
The only way out of which I am aware is through harvest. I've never been sure that a wanderer can come in for a pre-determined set time at the expiration of which they return home without having to meet the requirements of harvest (except perhaps in the case of the walk-in).
Agreed that Ra makes no specific mention of positive entities harvesting themselves as Ra did of the three negatively oriented entities.
I think however that the data is available to substantiate or at least infer the positive corollary.
The group of 150 in South America had the opportunity of harvest at the point of the ending of a 25,000 year cycle, not as a result of the type of self-harvesting we are discussing.
But their situation seems emblematic of the basic attitude of the positively oriented entity when faced with harvest - it may desire to stay on in the illusion for further service and suffering.
I agree that at the base of all evolution of every entity is the driving force of the upward spiraling light. Across the board this indwells in all entities, so it is, as a manifestation of the Creator's desire to know itself, the "major propagator" of all seeking.
However you were pointing to a specific class of entity - the wanderer - and discussing the increased probability of their seeking the gateway.
Both the wanderer and the non-wanderer are propelled "forward", so to speak, by the upward spiraling light. So there must be other factors that make the wanderer more aware of this upward spiral, or grant greater access to the upward spiral, or create the motivation to work with/utilize the upward spiral - in short, other factors which cause an assumed statistical increase in the wanderer's seeking of intelligent infinity in contrast to the non-wanderer.
I was furthering your supposition that memory and past experience played important roles in the wanderer seeking the gateway.
In the case of Jehoshua, Ra attributes his healing ability to a "natural kind of remembering" http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=17&ss=1#19.
Zenmaster, how would you define or describe satori? (I know that it is one of many terms used to point to various grades of self-realization, but it's basic meaning escapes me at the moment. I can look it up of course but its meaning to you is most pertinent here.)
Love and Light,
GLB
It makes no sense that only the negative entity can, by contact with intelligent infinity, harvest itself prior to the 25,000 year window. Why would the Logos deny the opportunity to those of the positive polarity?
Furthermore, there is this:
Questioner: What density is the entity known as Jesus in now?
Ra: I am Ra. This information is harmless though unimportant. This entity studies now the lessons of the wisdom vibration, the fifth-density, also called the light vibration.
http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=17&ss=1#21
Apparently Jesus found his way out of the third-density illusion prior to the closing of the major cycle of third density.
The only way out of which I am aware is through harvest. I've never been sure that a wanderer can come in for a pre-determined set time at the expiration of which they return home without having to meet the requirements of harvest (except perhaps in the case of the walk-in).
(06-20-2011, 09:00 PM)unity100 Wrote: my observation was that, 'harvested self' was exclusively used while talking about negative harvestees in Ra material, it was not used at any point for positive harvestees, no positive harvestees were mentioned or talked about outside harvest periods, 150 entities which were harvested in 2nd cycle, were not told to harvest themselves - despite being harvestable at the point of harvest - and instead confederation contacted them, and similar.
Agreed that Ra makes no specific mention of positive entities harvesting themselves as Ra did of the three negatively oriented entities.
I think however that the data is available to substantiate or at least infer the positive corollary.
The group of 150 in South America had the opportunity of harvest at the point of the ending of a 25,000 year cycle, not as a result of the type of self-harvesting we are discussing.
But their situation seems emblematic of the basic attitude of the positively oriented entity when faced with harvest - it may desire to stay on in the illusion for further service and suffering.
Quote:Bring4th_GLB wrote: That's congruent with my own understanding/recall of what Ra said on the matter. Wanderers may have a greater *chance* of opening the gateway. This increase in probability comes about as a result of some dim recollection that serves as motivation, and perhaps, as was the case with Jesus, a memory of past experience so strong that it provides actual useable knowledge.
(06-20-2011, 09:00 PM)unity100 Wrote: the inevitable push of upstreaming light is more likely the major propagator of this.
I agree that at the base of all evolution of every entity is the driving force of the upward spiraling light. Across the board this indwells in all entities, so it is, as a manifestation of the Creator's desire to know itself, the "major propagator" of all seeking.
However you were pointing to a specific class of entity - the wanderer - and discussing the increased probability of their seeking the gateway.
Both the wanderer and the non-wanderer are propelled "forward", so to speak, by the upward spiraling light. So there must be other factors that make the wanderer more aware of this upward spiral, or grant greater access to the upward spiral, or create the motivation to work with/utilize the upward spiral - in short, other factors which cause an assumed statistical increase in the wanderer's seeking of intelligent infinity in contrast to the non-wanderer.
I was furthering your supposition that memory and past experience played important roles in the wanderer seeking the gateway.
In the case of Jehoshua, Ra attributes his healing ability to a "natural kind of remembering" http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=17&ss=1#19.
Quote:Zenmaster wrote: I wonder if perception of intelligent infinity is in any way like a satori? After a satori there is no 'going back', and you have a 'ground of being' that seems to support everything.
Zenmaster, how would you define or describe satori? (I know that it is one of many terms used to point to various grades of self-realization, but it's basic meaning escapes me at the moment. I can look it up of course but its meaning to you is most pertinent here.)
Love and Light,
GLB
Explanation by the tongue makes most things clear, but love unexplained is clearer. - Rumi