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[unity100]

4D Wanderers and dual-activated beings are not the same. 4D Wanderers incarnate down from 4D into 3D, dual activated entities incarnate into 4D environments being penetrated by disappearing 3D vibrations. They are just starting their 4D incarnations, the wanderers are rightly already established 4D. Of course it's all semantics (I won't tell you what to consider wanderers), but Ra and Don specifically discussed the difference between wanderers and dual activated beings.

i dont understand what does 'semantics' even mean here.

there is indeed difference in between a 4d wanderer and a harvested 4d entity that is to make its home here. one has wanderer status, one is wanderer-like.

and depending on the situation, it is possible that the 4d wanderer incarnated into a 3d body some time ago, whereas the 4d native has incarnated into a 3-4d body recently. that is a lot of difference, if so.

Hardly so, I believe. It seems you view this whole process from a negative light, as in it's not possible to adequately be free from lower energies, but I think it is highly dependent on various factors. As 3DM points out much of it is dependent on the receiver and their ability to process the energies at play. Two people can attend a conference and be led in two very different directions. How is it that one can be misled/distorted and another can't? The information is the same, so our ability to process the situation through our distortions and blockages can be completely independent of the speaker.

However, the slippery aspect of this is that many do have distortions that prevent them from understanding the information clearly, and as you have said many spiritual teachers are victims of this themselves. They are caught up in their own lower energies which pollutes the whole process. But all of this isn't a money issue at all, it is a more complex orange/yellow energy issue involving the teach/learning process that can be influenced by money.

So what about those that are free from lower energies? Again, I still stand by intention as being the significant factor. If you are operating and perceiving from higher rays, that is where the transfer takes place if both have the corresponding centers activated. Throw in the money factor, and you simply taint it. Information can't come under the dominance of lower energies if that's not how you perceive it.

How we view the interaction taking place of the one charging for something is a complex interplay between both involved. It simply isn't an issue of higher energies being under the influence of the lower.

Have you ever noticed that the more a teacher communicates their intentions and understandings with clarity the obvious result is less distortion? Simply paying to attend a seminar doesn't undermine the strength and brilliance of the love and wisdom being sent out if you clearly dissolve the nature of the lower energies at play as best as possible.

It would seem the issue lies more in aligning yourself properly as a teach/learner.

icaro, i would elaborate on all of the above points you made, only if the 'it may be possible to be adequately free from lower energies' (when seen in a negative light) was true.

all your propositions revolve around this. yet, there is no example on the known history of the planet of this. all teachings and attempts were distorted. even the ones which were totally contrary to the orange monetary system - they were distorted to orange ownership/identification systems in other ways.

going beyond that, even the history that we are privy to through Ra material, doesnt have such examples - even efforts undertaken by purest of intentions by various social memory complexes of late d were distorted to orange in numerous ways, leading to mass incarnation by these entities to alleviate distortions.

the only examples which may be given as to being 'adequately free' from orange patterns are people like diogenes and similar, who lived in hilltops half naked in barrels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes_of_Sinope

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