07-21-2009, 01:58 PM
Alex: That was a great post. Really a good read, and thoroughly enjoyable -- not to mention completely on-topic (something I can't seem to manage), and nicely descriptive of your personal processes, which is something I have come to treasure in forum posts. *applause*
Monica: YOU ROCK! (pun unintended) Thank you for starting that thread!
Well said.... I'll be looking up Peter Gabriel; I'm sure I'm familiar with the music - the name is familiar - but I'm not one who can connect songs with their artists' names. From your description, however, I'd have to say for me this kind of collection of songs regarding human processes can also be found in the music of Paul Simon. I'm also, and don't laugh, a huge Sting fan for similar reasons.
And the same is true for me (with some music), what you wrote about Gabriel's music -- sometimes it helps me process through things, and it does so without reinforcing the negative. I've found (bit of a side-note here) that sometimes writing in my journal, especially in regard to things toward which I feel anger, only serves to reinforce my anger. Similarly, there was a time when I would 'let off steam' while I was driving, thinking it would help me release some of my stress, but I found it just fed my anger response. Listening to loud, even angry, music while I drive, however, does help me release stress. It's an interesting difference. *one cocked eyebrow* Hadn't ever thought of it really before, but there it is.
Understood. For me, with things like this, I trust my 'inner knowing'; if there's something niggling inside me about the music I'm listening to, I change the station, fast forward, whatever. If not, I trust the music is ok for me.
Exactly what I was getting at: It might be that you don't need to put your finger on it; you might find that you can simply trust your underlying knowing. I understand that, for some, the trustworthiness of 'underlying knowing' has yet to be established, or that one's own sense of knowing has yet to be differentiated from other types of feeling/vibrational response/etc, but it seems to me, Monica, that you are (in my estimation) aware enough to trust your self.
Breaking free from religion: Gee. Perhaps another thread - about our perceptions regarding religion - might be warranted.... *wiggling eyebrows*
Backing up a bit, I got what you were aiming at regarding the effect of music possibly 'lowering' vibrations, that this was not a reference to chakra vibrations. I think your response - enjoying the music but feeling creeped out about the voices - is not a function intentionally evoked by the musicians. I think the response is inside your self; others may respond quite differently.
Yes, it's inside, but that doesn't mean there's a response to it. I think that's where the inner knowing comes in so nicely; if one's (inner) receptors are responding, then one who is aware will recognize the vibration of the response (positive or negative) regardless of whether there's a conscious and specific understanding of why the response has been triggered. But some things just don't trigger any response. This is where, for me, the trust comes in: I don't have to consciously understand the details regarding the vibrational response to know what to do about it (stop listening or turn up the volume).
Yet another possible thread...
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Monica: YOU ROCK! (pun unintended) Thank you for starting that thread!
Bring4th_Monica Wrote:Many of those songs were the artist's way of dealing with that trauma, and the listener benefits by the expression of that which perhaps they can't express themselves. I consider the very best music to be that which explores our emotions in such a way as to bring them to the surface where they can be reviewed, expressed harmlessly, and, hopefully, transmuted.
Well said.... I'll be looking up Peter Gabriel; I'm sure I'm familiar with the music - the name is familiar - but I'm not one who can connect songs with their artists' names. From your description, however, I'd have to say for me this kind of collection of songs regarding human processes can also be found in the music of Paul Simon. I'm also, and don't laugh, a huge Sting fan for similar reasons.
And the same is true for me (with some music), what you wrote about Gabriel's music -- sometimes it helps me process through things, and it does so without reinforcing the negative. I've found (bit of a side-note here) that sometimes writing in my journal, especially in regard to things toward which I feel anger, only serves to reinforce my anger. Similarly, there was a time when I would 'let off steam' while I was driving, thinking it would help me release some of my stress, but I found it just fed my anger response. Listening to loud, even angry, music while I drive, however, does help me release stress. It's an interesting difference. *one cocked eyebrow* Hadn't ever thought of it really before, but there it is.
Bring4th_Monica Wrote:But that's not the sort of 'negative' I meant in my opening post. My confusion has to do with otherwise upbeat music that I enjoy while in a good mood, but, unbeknownst to me, the lyrics are much darker (maybe even violent) than the music sounds. A good example is Children of Bodom, whose music is very energizing to me, yet I'd rather not know what they're really singing about! Or, the black & death metal genre, whose music may be very lush and beautiful, but with occasional discordant, harsh vocals.
Understood. For me, with things like this, I trust my 'inner knowing'; if there's something niggling inside me about the music I'm listening to, I change the station, fast forward, whatever. If not, I trust the music is ok for me.
Bring4th_Monica Wrote:My problem is that I can't quite put my finger on why some of it sounds 'demonic' and others sound absolutely wonderful. Strange, huh? ....
.... I can really get myself going round in circles if I think about it too much. Maybe I should just not worry about it and just enjoy it if I like it, ya know? Maybe I'm over analyzing.
Exactly what I was getting at: It might be that you don't need to put your finger on it; you might find that you can simply trust your underlying knowing. I understand that, for some, the trustworthiness of 'underlying knowing' has yet to be established, or that one's own sense of knowing has yet to be differentiated from other types of feeling/vibrational response/etc, but it seems to me, Monica, that you are (in my estimation) aware enough to trust your self.
Breaking free from religion: Gee. Perhaps another thread - about our perceptions regarding religion - might be warranted.... *wiggling eyebrows*
Bring4th_Monica Wrote:What bothers me is stuff like Opeth or DB, who has lush, orchestrated, stunningly beautiful, yet the heaviest of the heavy music, accompanied by a voice that makes my skin crawl.
It is this incongruency that has me befuddled. I wonder how they do that.
Backing up a bit, I got what you were aiming at regarding the effect of music possibly 'lowering' vibrations, that this was not a reference to chakra vibrations. I think your response - enjoying the music but feeling creeped out about the voices - is not a function intentionally evoked by the musicians. I think the response is inside your self; others may respond quite differently.
Taha Wrote:We filter some of what we receive into conscious awareness, but it's all there inside.
Yes, it's inside, but that doesn't mean there's a response to it. I think that's where the inner knowing comes in so nicely; if one's (inner) receptors are responding, then one who is aware will recognize the vibration of the response (positive or negative) regardless of whether there's a conscious and specific understanding of why the response has been triggered. But some things just don't trigger any response. This is where, for me, the trust comes in: I don't have to consciously understand the details regarding the vibrational response to know what to do about it (stop listening or turn up the volume).
AlexKawajima Wrote:I really need to read up more the chakra's as I seem not to know too much about the colors.
Yet another possible thread...
hee
plur