05-21-2011, 12:14 PM
(05-21-2011, 09:31 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(05-21-2011, 09:20 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I can't see how the catch the ball concept is transcended. Please explain.Let's say you have the space-time awareness to contrast the very real 'presence' with the very real 'illusion' (being vs doing, in the zone, in the now, etc and so on). This awareness, even though it 'seems' to come from a transcendent view, itself has a 'place' that is merely a part of the realization of 'one'. The experience of 'now' is necessarily interpretive (from prior experience), even with the relative freedom that comes from a modality of what some might call 'egoless-ness'. Although you can be somewhat disengaged with the illusion, that seems compelling to many, there is still one's own incomplete (due to being unrealized) 'illusion'.
I don't understand what you are saying.
I think the guy is really good. I haven't studied his presentation. (if only the camera would zoom out so I could see his two charts, lol). It seems to me that he doesn't realize the Negative chart is the same thing as the Becoming chart. Does he really think that 'becoming' is different than the personality chart? I say they are one in the same. So, the zero point is still the desired point, the common ground, and the essence of the One.
My 'throw/catch the ball' is to demonstrate that it all occurs regardless of our mind's ability to break it down into explainable pieces. There is no need to break it down, explain it, 'teach' it, but only to demonstrate it, which we can't escape because all is a demonstration.
So, modality is unnecessary. So, why explain the evolution? What benefit do we get from explaining what's happening as it's happening? Are there bits and pieces of the structure that can be isolated and manipulated to create new compounds from enlightenment? Are we trying to make enlightenment alloys that are stronger, lighter, and resist friction?
A funny story. Yesterday, my son, my daughter, and I were eating chocolate together. My son offered his sister a bite. It was so small, his finger went into her mouth. She didn't realize it was a finger and slowly bit down with increasing applied pressure. I watched my son's face go silent with pain. (for some reason he didn't shout out to stop her). Once she realized what she had done (she drew blood), she released. He cried out in pain, and she cried out with regret when she realized what she had done.
Both, sitting with me, crying. I started to explain to them the dynamics of what just occurred, and how it happened. This did nothing for their learning or to console them. I finally said, it is all okay, it was an accident, accidents happen, and we will all feel better in a little while. Then, they stopped crying, and we went about our day with happiness.
So, analyzing and calculating the mechanics of catching a ball isn't necessary at all. You just do it. You move forward.
We don't need to know this is the only moment of existence, Now. It just IS, and we do whatever it is we do in that moment. We never have control of the moment. We aren't transcending anything intentionally. Stuff is being transcended. Stuff is being experienced. Stuff is bombarding the senses. Meditation is not a method to find the center, for example. Meditation is just another form of experience wrought with catalyst of the mind, body, and spirit.
What is my point? I don't know.