(05-16-2011, 11:29 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Not true. Second density includes all plants.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'not true.' It is true that Ra mentioned trees.
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Yes 2nd density includes all plants, but not all plants are in a position to become individualized.
Ra didn't say other plants couldn't become individualized, but just gave trees as an example, presumably because it is more common with trees.
Quote:19.2 Questioner: Let’s take the point at which an individualized entity of second density is ready for transition to third. Is this second-density being what we would call animal?
Ra: I am Ra. There are three types of second-density entities which become, shall we say, enspirited. The first is the animal. This is the most predominant. The second is the vegetable, most especially that which you call, sound vibration complex, “tree.” These entities are capable of giving and receiving enough love to become individualized. The third is mineral. Occasionally a certain location/place, as you may call it, becomes energized to individuality through the love it receives and gives in relationship to a third-density entity which is in relationship to it. This is the least common transition.
Think of an ancient oak tree, who has been loved by many generations of people who lived near that tree. Over time, that tree has developed self-awareness, facilitated by the love given by many people, over hundreds or even thousands of years.
(05-16-2011, 11:29 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: With the proper care, it is feasible that a garden vegetable could achieve 2D harvestability. It is also feasible that our 3D culture could reverse it's application of investing identity into animals and more into plants thus creating an environment that facilitates 2D entities placing plant incarnation above animal incarnation.
It is all up to the coCreators really.
Feasible, perhaps. But practical on a wide scale, I don't think so.
At any rate, arguing that plants 'might' be self-aware does not justify slaughtering animals, whom we know already have self-awareness.
(05-16-2011, 11:29 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: It would also be conceptual to say that a heifer at a feed lot is further down the 2D totem pole than the plant in a 3D entity's living room.
Then don't eat the living room plant!
That doesn't justify eating the heifer.
(05-16-2011, 11:07 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I'm okay with whatever choices people make.... until a 'line' is crossed with me.
I see a line being crossed with animals, and they cannot champion themselves.