Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest

[hogey11]

I think the yellow ray plane Earth has everything to do with our bodies. I think our bodies are 3D bodies. I don't think we have 2D bodies. If it were logical to say we have 2D bodies, it would be just as logical to say we have 1D bodies, or that a 2D entity has a 1D body, or that a 4D entity has a 3D body. This is not correct. What does it mean to live in Third Density- look in the mirror, you have a 3D body.

In all the times Ra mentions 3D death as necessary, ra says to the questioner "as you define death." Ra does define death as the shedding of the the space/time vehicle and the entry into time/space. Any reference to death relative to harvest, Ra clearly relates death "as the questioner views death." So, it's never a matter of Ra's perspective of the necessary death. It is what humans consider death to be that will occur.

I agree with you that our 3D perspective/experience forms all that we are, including our physical bodies. However, I would ask you dive beneath the surface once again with me

What is it that really constitutes who we are? Our experiences and the results of those events (catalyst). Therefore, it could be said that our physical bodies as they are in the 3D world is "controlled" by our 3D self. This "control" does not necessarily mean some metaphysical remote, but rather, it could be referring to our choices made each and every day. People that are physically fit are that way because they choose to exercise or work a physical job. Those who are overweight choose to eat more calories than they expel. It is our 3D self that calls the shots, and taking care of the physical vessel is one of those responsibilities. Therefore, our 3D selves constitute the physical body in this context Ra speaks of.

Another clue was where Ra mentions that our 2D body can live on its own for a time (as a feral human, one would figure), but that it is quite rare for that to happen. I take this as meaning without the impression of a higher density upon the 2D body, we're not very impressive compared to, say, a bear. It is our tools and ingenuity that make us so impressive, at the end of the day.

@Hogey11: No need to remove 'awareness' or 'self awareness'. Always keep awareness! Expanding awareness to full understanding is the key to the 4D door! Expanding 'awareness of self' to 'awareness of others' is also key to love, compassion and understanding, hence to 4D awareness. (you may be interested to see the thread on what it means to be awake).

Thank you for the kind words, Dreamfeather! I understand what you mean by including awareness rather than exclude it, and I agree. In many ways, you have explained the core of what I am trying to get at by focusing on the expansion of awareness rather than contraction of it. Overall, I am trying to find a better understanding besides the callous (imo) view of "we all die, 4D is better, stop complaining, you've died lots before". I suppose that's why I argue that the end of 3D will be the end of self, rather than the end of everything. Our awareness will expand and the "old way" will fade into oblivion, thus signaling the start of 4D.

@3DMonkey, You are forgetting that our 6D selves (at least) are no longer within Time/Space or Space/Time, and therefore neither belong in the future or the past. Ra also says our higher self is also a gift from our 6D selves for use for earlier densities. You are putting things through the filter of 3D by demanding things follow a linear path in time!

At the end of the day, I am trying to put a real-world scenario into the context of harvest. It has come with challenges. I don't think I know... but I will continue to test it and question the options. All I know is that nothing is lost, as Ra says... and for myself, the opportunity to raise my unborn daughter in a new 4D world seems too amazing an opportunity to be denied. It is a selfish reason, but hey, I got 99% possible STO left, right?