11-29-2021, 12:55 AM
(11-28-2021, 12:04 PM)Diana Wrote:(11-27-2021, 04:10 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: It saddens me when I see people take a word , wring from it the lowest possible associations and use that to lose themselves in anger, confusion, etc. A word is just a word and a concept is what you, yourself, discover through it.
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The word is just a word. Such experience is priceless. You choose.
I think you may be referring to my post. Among others.Allow me to dig a little deeper.
In general: A word is not just a word in my opinion. Words have power, or why would there be a banishing ritual? I think the intention behind words may really be the point, and yet...I don't know, sound is vibration, so is it crazy to think the vibratory aspects of a word would differ? What about derogatory words for dark-skinned people? Would those words not have a connotation difficult to override? Yes and no, I would say. If one is tethered to a limbic reaction to a word or to airplanes or dogs, etc., then it is what it is. Otherwise, I would say that the power is being focalised by the words. Whether that power is being focalised for good or for ill may be of concern in a specific context, but if we're just talking about the concept of--in this case--worship, then why muddy the waters with the sins of of the past ten generations? Why not simply discuss the concept? That's my point. And I would offer the same comment to others who are stumbling over this matter.
The word, "faith," certainly has been hijacked by religions, for example. There is a collective consciousness behind such words that adds to the word's impact or meaning. That said, it doesn't mean one can't rise above that energetic influences. Exactly. So, why get bogged down in it at all? Why not just "fly above the clouds" when everyone already knows about the storms below?
(11-27-2021, 04:10 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: There are many, many, many levels of love, one of which is worship. I might describe it as an experience of majesty, an encapsulation of infinity, which opens up doorways to experiences of awe and expansiveness and resonance with oneness and all that is.
If one can experience worship that way, then great.
The connotation of "worship" is very heavy with adulation and hierarchy and "I am a little insignificant being who cannot function without a higher being leading the way." I would not encourage anyone to engage in the sort of worship you describe which seems good, before they rise above the 3D religious uses of the idea.
Worship to me may somehow lead to unity but I think it is a way that rather makes a relationship to one being (infinite and inclusive though it might be) instead of directly uniting to all things. To me it is missing crucial steps. Why not just work consciously toward unity of all things (this is what I mean by respect for all life). Why does one have to go through the OIC to do that? It is too close to religious thinking for me. It may seem more direct just connecting to the OIC, but I disagree with that; it bypasses actually acknowledging for one's self that other life forms matter. It is like the difference between putting the pieces of a puzzle together one by one working on each piece to understand where and how it fits, and, admiring its beauty when all put together without having done the actual work.
We're out of sync here. The whole point, for moi, is that Unity, etc. is beyond the conscious mind. That's a challenge of 3D, how to have a relationship with the greatness beyond the small self. One can say with the mouth that you are ultimately worshiping self, but is that really experiential? I doubt it. If your bent is more phenomenological, then worship of some form can be quite useful in this regard. If it's not, then is it fair to blame other people's historical bad manners? I think not, personally.
The numinous-seeming majesty of this existence is indeed awesome. Absolutely, so to speak.
I do suspect we may be talking at cross purposes to some extent. So I look forward to anything more you may add, Sacred Fool. I thank you for the invitation.