05-28-2009, 03:23 PM
I used to be a member of David Wilcock's Ascension 2000 Forum called "asc2k" but decided to quit for alot of the same reasons that have been pointed out here. I also agree that talking about these points serves as a great study if done for that purpose and if its done correctly. There were and are many of his members on his "asc2k", just like here, that admit they haven't read the Law of One material for themselves. They obviously get their information from him and rely on him instead of relying directly on themselves, or the Law of One themselves. Its the lazy way, but people do it with everything from politics to religion to health. But that's what I read as exactly the point and danger being made here.
There's alot of information he states that seems really off base, and then others that are just 100% completely wrong.
He is, and has been very wrong, and teaches things as a result that are very wrong. But whats unsettling is not only how completely wrong he can be, but how 100% he is sure he knows everything, even when he is wrong.
There's alot of information he states that seems really off base, and then others that are just 100% completely wrong.
David Wilcock Wrote:On Edgar Cayce as a Co-dependant:He definitely states in this passage that he is Edgar Cayce, not that he just has similarities like he does at other times. But he psycho-analyzes one of the greatest psychics that ever lived and calls him dysfunctional, and more, and then goes on to do the same thing to his support staff? How in the world could he know if he was dysfunctional, much less his staff, much less why would he even say it? As wrong as it is, and as off base as it is, he isn't even qualified to make a psychological analysis, much less do it over 60 years after the fact? I don't think even a qualified doctor could do this. I agree that this kind of stuff doesn't make him seem scholarly or authoritative.
RE: [asc2k] Re: Wow... OK! / new Cayce stuff
Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:24 PM
From: "David Wilcock" <djw333@insightbb.com>To: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
I see now how the curse of codependency dragged Cayce down, as well as the entire group that had formed around him....In my case as Cayce I was too late. I did not have the time or the desire to listen to those voices. I was too busy, had too many aspirations. In the aftermath of my failed attempt to build this awesome hospital, where everyone could gather together to get medical readings from me and heal, I felt destroyed. I rebuilt myself with a chorus of yes-people who, This basically led to the last decade of my life being enmeshed with more and more supporters gathering regularly around me, once a week or more.
If you read Harmon Bro's books about me, (which we DID point out in the Reincarnation? Book, to the chagrin of Cayce purists), you can find out that towards the end of my life, I believe that I basically started going senile and got a little demented.
an asc2k member and Wilcock exchanging dialog Wrote:On Jesus as a Codependent:He not only analyzes Edgar Cayce from over 60 years ago, he analyzes Jesus from over 2000 years ago as well? How does he do it? And then he analyzes and interprets the Law of One 100% wrong. And then he goes on to say he that "its unlikely that there are very many discrepancies in my understanding of the material that will start emerging upon critical analysis." It was already pointed out in his own words that he says he knows the material better than anyone else.
[asc2k] Re: on being true to oneself
Sunday, January 8, 2006 10:20 PM
From: "Tobey W" <asc2k@wheelockweb.com>To: asc2k@yahoogroups.com On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 11:38:35PM -0500,
David Wilcock wrote: You have very deep, subconscious Judeo-Christian biases that seem to take a literal interpretation of Jesus' way of martyrdom and turning the other cheek as being the ultimate truth. Again, though the reptilian brain may hiss in horror at this Law of One principle, Jesus was basically said to have LACKED wisdom in his self-martyrdom. This was HOLDING HIM BACK from being able to evolve into fifth-density. I am not reading my own bias into the material here; that is what it says.
"Tobey W" wrote: This comment is much like another that was posted about a month ago: On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 01:03:03PM -0500.
David Wilcock wrote: Jesus being a 4D Wanderer who was not quite able to let go of the self-martyring / codependent aspects that would have allowed him to ascend to fifth-density understanding.
"Tobey W" wrote: While it is certainly true that martyrdom lacks wisdom, and that martyrdom may not be the highest or purest course for any given incarnation, there doesn't seem to be any basis in the Law of One material for saying that Jesus's martyrdom held him back from evolving into fifth density, or that he was unable to let go of codependent aspects that would have let him ascend. Perhaps there is such a basis; if so, please point me to it. What I have found, instead, seems to affirm that Jehoshuah/Jesus completed the task for which it/he incarnated (session 84), and that it/he is now in fifth density (session 17).
This quote, from session 84, seems especially relevant:
Questioner: The instrument asked the following question: Ra has implied that the instrument is on the path of martyrdom, but since we all die are we not all martyred to something, and when, if ever, does martyrdom partake of wisdom?
Ra: I am Ra. This is a thoughtful query. Let us use as exemplar the one known as Jehoshua. This entity incarnated with the plan of martyrdom. There is no wisdom in this plan but rather understanding and compassion extended to its fullest perfection. The one known as Jehoshua would have been less than fully understanding of its course had it chosen to follow its will at any space/time during its teachings. Several times, as you call this measure, this entity had the possibility of moving towards the martyr's place which was, for that martyr, Jerusalem. Yet in meditation this entity stated, time and again, "It is not yet the hour". The entity could also have, when the hour came, walked another path. Its incarnation would then have been prolonged but the path for which it incarnated somewhat confused. Thusly, one may observe the greatest amount of understanding, of which this entity was indeed capable, taking place as the entity in meditation felt and knew that the hour had come for that to be fulfilled which was its incarnation. It is indeed so that all mind/body/spirit complexes shall die to the third-density illusion; that is, that each yellow-ray physical-complex body shall cease to be viable. It is a misnomer to, for this reason alone, call each mind/body/spirit complex a martyr, for this term is reserved for those who lay down their lives for the service they may provide to others. We may
encourage meditation upon the functions of the will.
David Wilcock Wrote:David Wilcock on David Wilcock
RE: [asc2k] Re: on being true to oneself
Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:42 PM
From: "David Wilcock" <djw333@insightbb.com>To: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
David Wilcock wrote:
...I do not want to be put on a pedestal, but in all fairness, it is also
unlikely that there are very many discrepancies in my understanding of the
material that will start emerging upon critical analysis
....I get disheartened sometimes because it seems like I just can't run a clean enough game, ethically speaking, to not invite more of these greetings. I try very, very hard, but at the stage I'm at there's no more Law of Grace...I am fully accountable for EVERYTHING because there is NOTHING that I do not know about how the law functions. That's the thanks you get for being a scholar of Truth!
He is, and has been very wrong, and teaches things as a result that are very wrong. But whats unsettling is not only how completely wrong he can be, but how 100% he is sure he knows everything, even when he is wrong.