Don't get me wrong, the symbolism is really powerful. I guess I just don't resonate with the visual style which I find to be thoroughly Luciferian. Not that there is anything wrong with that, a lot of great movies are thoroughly Luciferian.
I guess where you see tarot cards (Egyptian) and kundalini serpents (Hindu) I see those too, but then I also see masonic check, eye of Lucifer, initiation ritual, blood sacrifice, exploitation, dehumanization, cavalier violence, black mass, desecration of sacred imagery from every mainstream tradition... the Luciferian elements. Something inside me is really turned off by the Lucifer stuff.
The Holy Mountain is like one very long Lady Gaga video. Just dripping with Luciferian symbolism from start to end. Of course it includes standard spiritual concepts as well, chakras, kundalini, alchemy, I just wasn't able to find much love or service in it personally. But that's just me! Obviously you had a very different experience.
You do inspire me to try to give it another watch and try to focus more on other elements than the elements I saw. With a movie like this it's very easy to see different things based on your focus.
When you say the CEO of Apple, you mean Steve Jobs? That's an interesting story, I'll have to look that up, or maybe you could link me to something if you have a link at your fingertips.
One thoroughly Satanic movie that I do like is Hellraiser. So I'm probably not one to talk.
What I learned from Hellraiser is that I don't want to be a Hellraiser but I can see why some people want to. :p
Ok, your first post that you wrote over was interesting.
This new post is interesting too.
What exactly are you saying? I want to hear your opinion in less guarded terms. You're trying to teach me some kind of spiritual lesson but guarding language so as not to be offensive.
I want to understand your point here. Feel free not to hold back when talking about me because I want to understand your advice for me clearly.
Let me try to explain my experience with this movie.
I sit down and start watching and there is a scary looking guy in black in a masonic lodge shaving the heads of two naked women who look identical. Now of course this represents some kind of occult power - some kind of secret mystical power - but also the man puts his hands on the women's heads and such that it looks like domination.
He shaves their heads so that they are identical. They stare blankly into space - empty headed - nothing is coming from them. They aren't human anymore, they've been shaved and stripped and are now tools of the black wizard adept guy.
This is just what I see. It doesn't resonate with me so I'm pretty much thinking, "ok, well this doesn't resonate, gives me the creeps actually, so instead I'll go watch Life Is Beautiful or listen to Beethoven or something."
My point being that I see beauty in certain things, including a hell of a lot of art, many movies, lots of music, and most religious symbolism speaks to me deeply whether it is Hindu, Tibetan, Christian, Zen, Confucian, Greek, Celtic, etc.
But when I see these odd Luciferians and all their blank stares into space I don't feel that kind of loving resonance, my intuition just says "this is some kind of perversion: love your brothers and sisters who love it, but it's not for you."
The message I get is: it's not for me.
I like the tarot. I like Ra. I like new age stuff in general and I love movies that deal with people on spiritual journeys.
Why does Luciferian imagery turn me off? Why do skinned lambs being crucified and paraded around the city turn me off and make me want to watch something else?
If I'm missing out on something, should I care? I feel joy when I listen to Bach or Gregorian Chant. Is it ok that I should be turned off by Jodorowsky, Lady Gaga, Watchmen, and most other heavily Luciferian-occult works of art?
I guess where you see tarot cards (Egyptian) and kundalini serpents (Hindu) I see those too, but then I also see masonic check, eye of Lucifer, initiation ritual, blood sacrifice, exploitation, dehumanization, cavalier violence, black mass, desecration of sacred imagery from every mainstream tradition... the Luciferian elements. Something inside me is really turned off by the Lucifer stuff.
The Holy Mountain is like one very long Lady Gaga video. Just dripping with Luciferian symbolism from start to end. Of course it includes standard spiritual concepts as well, chakras, kundalini, alchemy, I just wasn't able to find much love or service in it personally. But that's just me! Obviously you had a very different experience.
You do inspire me to try to give it another watch and try to focus more on other elements than the elements I saw. With a movie like this it's very easy to see different things based on your focus.
When you say the CEO of Apple, you mean Steve Jobs? That's an interesting story, I'll have to look that up, or maybe you could link me to something if you have a link at your fingertips.
One thoroughly Satanic movie that I do like is Hellraiser. So I'm probably not one to talk.
What I learned from Hellraiser is that I don't want to be a Hellraiser but I can see why some people want to. :p
(02-26-2011, 02:25 AM)BlatzAdict Wrote:(02-26-2011, 01:48 AM)yossarian Wrote: A lot of people say it's the best movie ever made. But they always seem like the type of people who embrace the left hand path.
we each have something to learn in our own individual paths. perhaps seeing something negative in nature, would remind us as to how we can further anchor in love to this planet?
i'm not really sure if i should be saying this... tho I hope it will be of help to you on your path. if not please disregard it.
Every moment we find ourselves angry, upset, are signs of a chink in our armor of light, and notice these are lessons for which we cannot learn from by ignoring it, but by accepting it and then choosing not to focus on those situations or negative emotions associated with those situations. For what we give attention to, manifests and attracts more of those experiences into our lives. It is a delicate and subtle energy work of the adept, that only can be understood with a greater understanding of the nature of duality. Duality, or separation is merely a construct of the negative force of division. While integration is a construct of the positive, to understand this one must see it in all sides of the situation in order to come to a positive conclusion, not merely to run away from painful issues. But to accept them, take note of them, and then let them go. As it is not in the path of the light to control situations, or to control life, that is a path of the fallen.
Holding your light, in all respects of the phrase, literally means to defend your ground, and to attract nothing else but. It does not mean to let someone get hurt while you stand helpless, by all means help! However it also does not mean to succumb to those lower emotions for each second that you stray from the light, is another second energetic disharmony can affect the earth, the people around you, and whether or not the environment you live in is shrouded in pain, or in love. Did you not come here to bring heaven to earth? or did you come here to bring hell to earth?
Ok, your first post that you wrote over was interesting.
This new post is interesting too.
What exactly are you saying? I want to hear your opinion in less guarded terms. You're trying to teach me some kind of spiritual lesson but guarding language so as not to be offensive.
I want to understand your point here. Feel free not to hold back when talking about me because I want to understand your advice for me clearly.
Let me try to explain my experience with this movie.
I sit down and start watching and there is a scary looking guy in black in a masonic lodge shaving the heads of two naked women who look identical. Now of course this represents some kind of occult power - some kind of secret mystical power - but also the man puts his hands on the women's heads and such that it looks like domination.
He shaves their heads so that they are identical. They stare blankly into space - empty headed - nothing is coming from them. They aren't human anymore, they've been shaved and stripped and are now tools of the black wizard adept guy.
This is just what I see. It doesn't resonate with me so I'm pretty much thinking, "ok, well this doesn't resonate, gives me the creeps actually, so instead I'll go watch Life Is Beautiful or listen to Beethoven or something."
My point being that I see beauty in certain things, including a hell of a lot of art, many movies, lots of music, and most religious symbolism speaks to me deeply whether it is Hindu, Tibetan, Christian, Zen, Confucian, Greek, Celtic, etc.
But when I see these odd Luciferians and all their blank stares into space I don't feel that kind of loving resonance, my intuition just says "this is some kind of perversion: love your brothers and sisters who love it, but it's not for you."
The message I get is: it's not for me.
I like the tarot. I like Ra. I like new age stuff in general and I love movies that deal with people on spiritual journeys.
Why does Luciferian imagery turn me off? Why do skinned lambs being crucified and paraded around the city turn me off and make me want to watch something else?
If I'm missing out on something, should I care? I feel joy when I listen to Bach or Gregorian Chant. Is it ok that I should be turned off by Jodorowsky, Lady Gaga, Watchmen, and most other heavily Luciferian-occult works of art?