07-13-2021, 07:30 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-13-2021, 07:31 PM by Ming the Merciful.)
(07-13-2021, 06:53 PM)Steppingfeet Wrote:(07-10-2021, 12:30 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: You can, (either), do it as a gross material pleasure, (or), as a concentration and Meditation and Tantra. Either are acceptable and your decision. Is anyone going to judge you? The fact is, there is a borderline between the personal self, and the selfless self.
I think what the problem is, you are trying to complicate things. It doesn't have to be complicated. Live a normal life, and when the time is right, concentrate on the Spiritual.
"A borderline between the personal self and the selfless self." I like that. It conjures in me a sense that the two distinctions belong to a unified self and that there is some threshold within that self that, once crossed, takes one further into what we call selflessness, this depending on one's intentions and the purity therein.
Regarding Brandon complicating things... I think that one's relationship to their sexuality is an inherently complex one; complex if one had never encountered another human being, but all the more complex given millennia of accumulated cultural/religious around sexuality, and powerful negative inroads made in that realm, that we unconsciously absorb from the world around us.
Not negating the possibility and the value of simplicity, and simplifying one's outlook, though. From the vantage point of simplicity, a lot of human activity is just superimposed and unnnecessary complication.
Ming, I also appreciate your thoughts about positive attitudes and goodwill (if truly and purely embodied, I would add) necessarily promote peace.
Brandon, I did not attempt to speak to the more complex, deep-rooted, and personal aspects of your relationship to sexuality. I think others did so very well. I just meant briefly to touch on the question embedded in your OP concerning the application of polarity in consciousness to sexual self-care.
Is that or any particular activity STS or STO or neither or both? This is why it is important, I think for one to gain a decent grasp on polarity in consciousness as the Confederation describe if one is going to use the Confederation philosophy as a map and compass on their journey. Lacking sufficient understanding, ideas can be misapplied to self and others. But, that's part of the journey too, for all of us.
Once we have become Spiritually Aware, then we recognize the "Borderline" between the Gross Physical and the Spiritual Self. Tantra is the perfect example, because you can reach a Sexual Bliss, and at the same time a nonattachment to the act. It, (literally), crosses the Borderline between what we once thought of as a simple physical pleasure to something much deeper. It is learning to know where the Borderline is. It is different for every person. It is true, I was born in the West, except I learned Eastern Values.
In the East sexuality is not considered the "Demon" that it is in the West. This is deeply rooted in Hinduism and the Vedas, and now I accept that as a natural way of thinking. As I have said often, lose the guilt and Western Values. In the West we are taught that any form of sexual pleasure, (outside of marriage), is sinful, which is extremely childish and immature. Positive Thought is the most important point. Once we have learned and understood our true Spiritual Nature, Positive Thought and Positive Thinking becomes the natural order of things. If the Mind is at peace, we are at peace. Tantra combined with some for of Meditation brings about this Inner Peace. It sounds simple. One procedure I follow to remain in a positive attitude. Onboard the computer, I have two Internet Browsers, meaning, while I am typing in a Thread, I am also listening to some form of Spiritual music on YouTube. It creates the "State of Mind", and allows the Mind to drift into Intuitive Mind. Something so simple, can change everything.
When we are in the "Gross Physical Mind", (and endlessly thinking), we create negative energy because we are not living in our natural state of peace. In Still Mind, we are at peace. The endless questions and answers we argue about in Gross Mind do not happen. How much time do we spend in "Self-Debates"? Questioning something, and having positive or negative answers and new questions of the unsettled Mind? The Debates can go on for hours. Until the topic changes, or we become bored arguing with ourselves. We must learn to live Positively. That is one of the most important aspects of Spirituality. If not the most important. In positive thought, everything naturally falls into place.