Meat Eating v Plant-Based (video, balanced spiritual take in my opinion)

[Dtris]

I never made any claims about morality. My statement may be worded a bit confusingly. Ethically and sustainably raising animals and plants is one way of farming, factory farming is another. I did not intend to imply that factory farming is the same as raising food in an ethical or sustainable manner.

77 billion is low when there are 7 billion people. Especially if this includes animals like Quail, Duck, Chickens, and other small animals which are eaten.

Factory farming methods extend to plant production too. Rice cannot be produced on the scale needed to feed billions in two geographic regions each the same size or smaller than the US without using factory methods. The population pre industrial revolution was around 1 billion people worldwide and most people were farmers, it cannot be compared to modern food needs.

i know you're just making a logical point when you say 77 billion is low when there's 7 billion people. the issue i have is how detached that sounds from the horror these animals experience. you make that statement matter-of-factly as if it's no big deal. it's a bit disturbing to be frank. to reiterate it, that's 77 billion land animals per year.. for many years. these are beings with emotional needs like love and freedom just like us. pigs for example outperform 3 year olds in cognitive tests. chickens are very smart too. animals are similar to toddlers in a lot of ways. and factory farming has them live their entire life in hell, tortured and slaughtered. so the point i'm making is i don't care about the context, 77 billion is not low, and to assert that point at all seems very detached to me.

factory farming plants is a whole other discussion that i'm not nearly as concerned about. there's key differences like how they don't have nervous systems, and are a different density of consciousness (2nd vs animals being 3rd).

Great post indeed.  Animals are a gift, and there is a reason their nutrition is absolutely craved by our digestive/biological systems (DHA, EPA, vitamin D, K2, B12), but we should always be mindful of their treatment.  

From a purely health perspective, the two biggest culprits to our decline are:  Sugar and Plant Oils/byproducts (Soy especially).

you're of course entirely entitled to your viewpoint, but to add my viewpoint, animals are not 'a gift'. they are their own soul for goodness sake. it's one thing for a buddhist to literally receive a gift/food donation of meat, but it's a whole other thing to say 'animals are a gift'. to sum them up as a gift for us is very egocentric in my opinion. the video i linked talks about how the animals involved in factory farming and whatnot are serving humanity in the way of providing opportunity to learn compassion... i.e. providing us opportunity to stop looking at them as objects for consumption and start showing them love, care, and decency. about the buddhist community, i would quickly add that perhaps that's a lesson that they should be more proactive so they're not at the mercy of what people gift them.

their nutrition is not necessarily craved by us.. this sounds like a roundabout way of saying we need to eat meat to be healthy. i know for one that i don't crave meat. i think that mostly comes from cultural conditioning and being raised on the standard american diet that pushes meat and animal products so heavily (because there are very dark beings at the top that want to create that intense suffering and feed it to people to keep them from ascending, as well as lower people's health and probably dark stuff involving loosh https://ascensionglossary.com/index.php/Loosh).

fish get dha/epa from algae, and i take a supplement that gets them from algae. i get vitamin d from sunlight or a supplement that sources it from lichen, vitamin k from leafy greens like kale, and b12 from a supplement (you can't actually utilize the b12 in meat, it's meant for the animal's nervous system and doesn't convert over).

How many of those 77 billion animals are actually raised in factory farms? How many experience the horrors you talk about? I assume the number is worldwide consumption of land animals. Factory farming is not ubiquitous to the entire globe for every animal eaten. We have at least the entire Jewish and Muslim populations which must eat meat which has been slaughtered in a very humane way. Farms are all over the US where people raise their own and the communities food and never use factory methods. Some other countries are still using traditional farming as well with local slaughterhouses or personally slaughtering their own food.

The US is probably the most factory farming intense nation as a portion of the market and 85% of cows, 65% of pigs, and 51% of chickens are produced by the 4 largest agribusiness conglomerates. Which means at least 25% of total consumption of those three is coming from traditional farming methods.

Just because an animal is farm raised does not mean it did not live well while it was alive or that it was slaughtered inhumanely. I can't find any statistics but I would not be surprised if factory farming only makes up half of worldwide consumption. All the cattle farms around my area are open pasture and they raise meat cattle.

Life in our density requires the consumption of other life. I am not bothered by that fact. I would rather the animals live as well as possible and be slaughtered as humanely as possible. Which is why I buy organic when I can and support local farms. Humans evolved to eat meat. It is what supported the development of our huge brains. Whether you agree or disagree the fact is most people eat meat. It is considered nutritionally vital in poor countries where it is hard to get. People will always eat meat, given the context, 7 animals per person is not very many. How many animals do you think a wild cat or dog kills and eats in a year? Do you get mad at a cat for killing and eating a mouse or bird? You may feel bad for the mouse or bird but does that mean you kill the cat?

I have been hearing the same arguments for decades. What is true and what almost everyone supports is that the animals we raise for food should be allowed to live outside, as nature intended, and slaughtered in a way that causes the least amount of suffering. The awareness of factory farming atrocities which has been propagated by PETA and vegetarian/vegan activists has ironically not increased the number of vegetarians/vegans (5-6% and 2-3% according to gallup from 1999-2018 and 2012-2018 respectively) but has IMO directly contributed to the growing number of organic, free range, cage free, and local purchase of food.

The US and the EU is experiencing a large push against agribusiness and factory farming methods based largely on animal welfare and nutritional content of food.

On density, I must disagree with you about the density of animals. Other than dolphins which Hatonn has said are third density, animals and plants are both second density according to Ra and the other LL sources.

19.2 Questioner: Let’s take the point at which an individualized entity of second density is ready for transition to third. Is this second-density being what we would call animal?

Ra: I am Ra. There are three types of second-density entities which become, shall we say, enspirited. The first is the animal. This is the most predominant. The second is the vegetable, most especially that which you call sound vibration complex “tree.” These entities are capable of giving and receiving enough love to become individualized. The third category is mineral. Occasionally a certain location, place as you may call it, becomes energized to individuality through the love it receives and gives in relationship to a third-density entity which is in relationship to it. This is the least common transition.

You are also completely wrong on your statement about B12. The only bioavailable B12 comes from bacteria, these bacteria are pretty much all inside animals. You even have some inside of you, producing vitamin B12 too. But you can't absorb it since the bacteria are located in your colon and humans cannot absorb B12 from their colon. Herbivores however can absorb B12 and other nutrients from their colons/rumens. B12 supplements are made synthetically, all other naturally occurring bio-available B12 comes from animals. Plants which contain B12 contain an inactive form which is actually an analog, the same molecule but different shape and cannot be utilized. There may be some algae that has B12 active form but it is still being researched. https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Vitami...fessional/

If you couldn't use the B12 in meat, humans wouldn't exist since we would have all died out from pernicious anemia.