Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans

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I just dropped this conversation for a time, thinking my input was too clumsy and not feeling like digging further into a philosophy I no longer care much about (the Cassiopaean version).

Now, I think this has cleared up over time.

And since STO turns towards Unity, it strives for Being, whereas STS as path of Separation has an illusory goal, a goal thus centered in Non-being.

I do rather like that dichotomy, but do you feel that is more from the STO persons context (or additionally the STS submissive)? It feels that the 'illusory goal' of perpetuating 'non-being' is the goal of the dominant STS entity to perpetuate on others for the benefit of controlling them, but not necessarily held as their own view on existence, which is to be THE creator of their own domain. Or am I overreaching the concept?

There's a big, basic problem here. You and Dtris read further associations from the Cassiopaean material into the mentions of Being and Non-Being. I tried to divide the Cassiopaean ideas and reduce it to something smaller, but that can't be done without adding more text to clarify what's not meant, otherwise others end up confused.

So, here's how I changed the idea, which I failed to make clear: Non-Being, or illusion, is not something which beings ever become, because Being is the opposite. To align with illusion, or Non-Being, instead means that something different than you aim for will be reached. And that is fully compatible with Ra's idea of the eventual polarity flip.

This changed idea is, however, incompatible with how the Cassiopaeans further elaborate on Being and Non-Being, in a way I currently reject.

The Non-Being and Being dichotomy falls apart if you believe in a creation in which all are "redeemed" at 6th density and all is ultimately the explorations of the creator.

LKJ believes in "half" of everything being fundamentally STO in nature and "half" fundamentally STS. Half the souls of the cosmos are one of these and half the souls are the other, from the start, and fated to become what they started out as (Being or Non-Being).

Ra's cosmology is incompatible with this, and in it all souls have the Being nature. Only illusion which souls are temporarily engaged in has the Non-Being nature. (Ra doesn't use the terms Being and Non-Being, but I think these phrasings as specifically used here do not distort the meaning further.)

This difference follows from the basic difference in where STS originates. In the Cassiopaean version, as I wrote earlier, it's from the beginning of creation, while in Ra's version, that polarity emerged from the bottom up.

Ra's version is more aligned with the non-moralizing flavor of eastern philosophies in this regard. The Cassiopaean version is more aligned with the moralizing flavor of the Abrahamic religions.

Actually, Ra's cosmology rejects the idea that STS and STO are proportionally "half-half". And while that Cassiopaean idea is appealing to anthropocentric intuition, it doesn't fit the shape which asymmetric things usually take on in nature. If STO is expansive and STS is contractile (sensible enough), it makes sense for STS to be like the narrow end of a funnel, smaller in the portion of Being involved in it.

From the perspective of 3D I can think of a good reason to believe and perpetuate this belief among a group. By believing that STS leads to non-being, you are defining those who are STS as LESS than those who are STO. Of course the in group is always going to be STO while those who are outside, whether 3D or not, will be defined as STS. Thus devalued in the minds of the in group, creating a sense of superiority and elitism. This being the hallmark of STS polarization.

Maybe those who are more familiar with that forum can say if that is an accurate situation in that community.

That's basically the situation Montalk describes as having happened in his 2006 article about LKJ and the Cassiopaea community derailing. As he predicted, the trajectory was stuck to. But as I've noted before, I currently think that it wasn't a derailing, but instead an STS seed blossoming more or less as hoped for at a higher level.

The Cassiopaeans made it easy for a cult to be built using the building blocks they provided. Ra didn't, that's why a separate claimed "sequel" teaching different in core focus became the basis for creating a cult instead. That's my current thinking.