03-22-2021, 01:58 PM
"Carla: Since everyone seems to be pretty passive tonight, perhaps we’ll make this L2 night. This one’s even worse, Latwii, so you can deal with it by again asking me to repeat. Question number two: “Could you afford some connective commentary regarding how the perspectives of the following great explicators mesh into the same central truths? Swedenborg; Michael, in Yarbro’s Messages from Michael; Seth; Franklin Merrell-Wolff; the Cayce trance testator; Orobindo; Meister Eckhart; anonymous authors; the Bhagavad-Gita; Gautama Buddha; Jesus of Nazareth; Mohammet; Krishna; Babaji; Socrates”—well, that’s a starter.
I am Latwii. I am aware of your question. My brother, consider your own situation. You exist within a reality in which many claim to have a perception of that which is real, that which is factual, that which is existent, yet many seem to be in contradiction with one another in their description. Would it be true to say that each is wrong or each is right? We would offer then the following commentary for your examination.
Each of those which you have described, including, we might add, the anonymous writers, has been able to perceive with a varying degree of clarity that which exists beyond your realm of confusion, and in their perception have attempted to relay that image to their other selves in such a manner as to reproduce that perception. However, as you are aware, the reproduction of concept into words is quite difficult and often of poor result. We would therefore observe initially that the translation on each of the source’s part has been severely hampered by the inability to translate perception into words. As a further example, we would suggest that one consider the possibility of translating into words a robin’s song so that the reader, upon reading the words, could successfully reproduce the musical notes.
The further difficulty arrives at the determination of subsequent readers or translators to correct that which they do not understand or alter that with which they do not agree. This has happened quite frequently in the history of your people, both through accident and intention, for much of your historic religious and philosophical texts have been reproduced a number of times in writing after being handed down on the basis of word of mouth for numbers of years, resulting in quite radical deviations from the original source.
Finally, we would observe that those who perceived the original awareness of that which exists beyond the realm of confusion have themselves often been the recipients of much communication, some of which was distorted intentionally by those who would seek to sincerely follow a path of service to self, therefore, quite literally negating much of that which may have been intended.
May we answer you further?
Carla: I think so. I think the question is, “What connective commentary could you give regarding the central truths if any, which all of these people are trying to explicate?”
My sister, the central truths are of themselves the connective tissue which unite the perceptions of each listed, for it was their perception of that reality, that awareness of both the Creator and the orderly universe which was created, that sparked the imagination of those listed and inspired each to attempt to communicate their awareness to their other selves.
May we answer you further?
Carla: No. I feel that there is some reason that you are angling your answer the way you are, and having met L2, we’ll just say, that’s fine. And thank you.
We thank you, my sister.
A: How is the instrument doing?
The instrument is tiring but capable of answering to a further extent if there are more questions.
N: I have a query. The Sufis used in former times a nine foot high pole of lapis lazuli which was two feet in diameter. The ritual, I think, has been discontinued for initiates. Why did they use this nine foot object which was two feet in diameter for initiation and why did they stop using it?
I am Latwii. My brother, the object of which you speak was actually not composed in its entirety of the substance which you describe but rather was an object of those dimensions decorated with that same substance. The purpose of this device was to act as a focal point during ceremonies much as the apex of a pyramid would have the effect of a focal point for down-funneling energies. Consider if you will the effect of a conical arrangement of individuals with a single individual at the apex of the cone atop the device which you have described. It was an effort to produce in a simplistic form a pyramidal-type device for the purpose of initiation which was not particularly successful due to the lack of understanding of those performing this attempt."
This is actually related more to the "scientific orthodox" threads on these forums, rather than the channeling sub forum.
But there's a few points of commonality, like crystals, so I will put it here.
This connects to the subject of how reliable trance/nontrance and other channeled or non channeled information sources are, in the "You gonna take the wax?" mega thread. This has to do with the telephone game and how the conscious filter of the user, impacts the information degradation, on top of the user and info's own distortions in trance/non trance.
https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/i..._0707.aspx
I am Latwii. I am aware of your question. My brother, consider your own situation. You exist within a reality in which many claim to have a perception of that which is real, that which is factual, that which is existent, yet many seem to be in contradiction with one another in their description. Would it be true to say that each is wrong or each is right? We would offer then the following commentary for your examination.
Each of those which you have described, including, we might add, the anonymous writers, has been able to perceive with a varying degree of clarity that which exists beyond your realm of confusion, and in their perception have attempted to relay that image to their other selves in such a manner as to reproduce that perception. However, as you are aware, the reproduction of concept into words is quite difficult and often of poor result. We would therefore observe initially that the translation on each of the source’s part has been severely hampered by the inability to translate perception into words. As a further example, we would suggest that one consider the possibility of translating into words a robin’s song so that the reader, upon reading the words, could successfully reproduce the musical notes.
The further difficulty arrives at the determination of subsequent readers or translators to correct that which they do not understand or alter that with which they do not agree. This has happened quite frequently in the history of your people, both through accident and intention, for much of your historic religious and philosophical texts have been reproduced a number of times in writing after being handed down on the basis of word of mouth for numbers of years, resulting in quite radical deviations from the original source.
Finally, we would observe that those who perceived the original awareness of that which exists beyond the realm of confusion have themselves often been the recipients of much communication, some of which was distorted intentionally by those who would seek to sincerely follow a path of service to self, therefore, quite literally negating much of that which may have been intended.
May we answer you further?
Carla: I think so. I think the question is, “What connective commentary could you give regarding the central truths if any, which all of these people are trying to explicate?”
My sister, the central truths are of themselves the connective tissue which unite the perceptions of each listed, for it was their perception of that reality, that awareness of both the Creator and the orderly universe which was created, that sparked the imagination of those listed and inspired each to attempt to communicate their awareness to their other selves.
May we answer you further?
Carla: No. I feel that there is some reason that you are angling your answer the way you are, and having met L2, we’ll just say, that’s fine. And thank you.
We thank you, my sister.
A: How is the instrument doing?
The instrument is tiring but capable of answering to a further extent if there are more questions.
N: I have a query. The Sufis used in former times a nine foot high pole of lapis lazuli which was two feet in diameter. The ritual, I think, has been discontinued for initiates. Why did they use this nine foot object which was two feet in diameter for initiation and why did they stop using it?
I am Latwii. My brother, the object of which you speak was actually not composed in its entirety of the substance which you describe but rather was an object of those dimensions decorated with that same substance. The purpose of this device was to act as a focal point during ceremonies much as the apex of a pyramid would have the effect of a focal point for down-funneling energies. Consider if you will the effect of a conical arrangement of individuals with a single individual at the apex of the cone atop the device which you have described. It was an effort to produce in a simplistic form a pyramidal-type device for the purpose of initiation which was not particularly successful due to the lack of understanding of those performing this attempt."
This is actually related more to the "scientific orthodox" threads on these forums, rather than the channeling sub forum.
But there's a few points of commonality, like crystals, so I will put it here.
This connects to the subject of how reliable trance/nontrance and other channeled or non channeled information sources are, in the "You gonna take the wax?" mega thread. This has to do with the telephone game and how the conscious filter of the user, impacts the information degradation, on top of the user and info's own distortions in trance/non trance.
https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/i..._0707.aspx