Are you going to take the vaccine?

[unity100]

Ill give some responses, and then move on to some important point at the end:

You personally have no idea why people do what they do when they are choosing. You lay this out like: Well, if you are positive then you do this and if you are negative polarizing you will do that. You have no idea what and why someone chooses to do something and not another.
To tie adepthood into this discussion wasn't very successful IMO, but that is just my opinion. To know thyself, of course is One key to adepthood (huge key). It is quite possible the adept would have an immune system that is successful as his/her body complex has been transmuted and fortified. The adept could possibly not get vaccinated and have no need for the catalyst presented in the way of a virus. It just is not necessary.
Also, catalyst is given in a very particular way and circumstances are programmed according to the soul stream of the individualizing soul (not something you or I are privy to).
How can anyone say that by not taking a vaccination you are risking others and therefore you are slightly nearing the negative polarizing energy field? No one can truly know why but the experiencer of this particular catalyst.

There was nothing related to adeptness in that post. I described the harvest process which everyone had gone through.

For adepts things dont differ - different rules do not apply for adepts. Unless an adept actually consciously knows how to 'fortify its immune system' and does it, it does not happen. Adepts are not a special class of beings for whom laws of nature work differently. Just look at Carla, Don, Cayce and whomever you could find from history as adepts.

Preincarnational programs and other conditions apply to everyone. So there isnt anything specific to adepts there too.

Most importantly: If those were a significant factor, then we wouldnt have pandemics like this. From black plague to Spanish flu. And someone who is immune to a virus can easily be a carrier of the virus, literally going about and infecting people and causing their deaths.

What's more, there isnt a 100% guaranteed immunity - enough exposure to virus can overwhelm someone's immune system and kill him/her - like happened to many nurses and medical personnel.

If All is the Creator then what truly is the problem or even the worry?

If all is creator then why are you locking your door when you sleep at night.

If all is creator, then why are you wearing seatbelts when driving.

If all is creator...

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You get the idea.

And no one is truly killing anyone here. I have not heard Minyatur say they "intend" to kill others by not accepting a vaccination.

Personal biases and beliefs do not change the mechanics about viral infections. Karma, spiritual dynamics still apply.

It is very STO to accept that there are others and to see that they are also the Creator and have access to Its will to do and act as it pleases even if is it a "seemingly" incorrect action according to another's opinion or particular perspective. It is very lofty of us to think we can persuade others to think our beliefs are more balanced, more appropriate and encourage them to think more like us when it comes to deciding what is best for them.

You persuaded me. Its ok for people to stop obeying traffic laws and running over people then. Its just their belief and its normal.

And you will not infect me or my loved ones with new strains of the virus you cook in your body due to your vaccine evasion.

SO TAKE THE VACCINE. Take them all. But you DO NOT force other people to take them, period. You can quote your corporate media drones as much as you want (the ATLANTIC, lol), but you CANNOT force people to inject things into their body. CLEAR impingement of free will, objectively.

Yeah, we, the society can other people to do things, and that doesnt constitute an infringement of anything. Just like laws to wear seatbelt or laws that prevent people from running you over with their car when they cross the street. They are similar laws.

A society requires a minimum amount of cohesion. You cant just reject everything and do whatever you want. Otherwise, your next door neighbor can also start doing whatever he wants, ranging from defecating wherever he wants in the public street in your neighborhood to throwing wild parties in his house every night.

If neighborhood rules preventing those are not infringement of free will, requiring people to not infect others are not either.

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Of course you can choose to be an insensitive, inconsiderate person and refuse to vaccinate or take measures. This does not prevent the rest of the societies taking measures by preventing you from infecting them, ranging from vaccine passports to requiring vaccination or quarantine to enter countries. That is their free will.

I've been looking at unity100's comment about many places where vaccination is mandatory.  I am actually surprised.  I understand the rational behind it of course, but still I do not support mandatory treatments, even if it indirectly affects others.  The only kind of abrogation of freewill I support are laws like those trying to prevent anyone from murdering others.  I understand that a line must be drawn somewhere in what is considered a direct enough assault on another's freedom, but vaccination or any other health related issues are not behind that line in my opinion.  Where this gets really fuzzy is in cases where we remove children from their mother's care in order to treat them, in cases where parents would prefer to let their child die (or heal naturally with a bit of luck).

There is little difference in between actually murdering someone and indirectly murdering people knowing that many people will get infected and some will die.

The person not being educated or wise enough to realize that does not prevent that it is a free will of the person to do so. Otherwise we would not have traffic laws, require driver's licenses and all that.

I am a foodservice worker and I live with my elderly mother.

I will not take the chance. I will take the vaccine as soon as it is available.

The whole logic behind an all powerful government needing to control the population with chemicals or microchips is a huge paradox.

Indeed. The establishment wants to kill population with covid, but it also wants to save population with covid vaccine. At the same time also paradoxically wanting to kill people with covid vaccine by, well, preventing covid from killing people.

Its just a dumb contradiction that is invisible only when someone just wants to believe things.

Either the governments are all powerful and they don't need fear or manipulation or microchips to control people.

While all the people who complain about chips carry around mobile phones which can spy on their conversations even when they are 'turned off'...

China didn't need a vaccine, the people there fear the authority,

Nothing of the sort - leaving aside trusting their government, there is a concept in Asia called 'saving/keeping face' which covers the person's respectability and image in the society. No one wants to be seen as the a****** who damaged their society or *gasp* killed other people by infecting them. So people avoid things which will hurt other people or damage the society.

An extreme version of this can be seen in Japan where private companies and ordinary neighborhoods implemented far stricter measures by their own volition than what government asked for. Then again that's pretty traditional and normal in Japanese society.

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Now to the important, critical point:

This will happen again. It may be covid, it may be ebola, it may be zovid, it may be something that is unimaginable at this point.

As you will remember, Ra said that green is the energy that makes thoughts into things, and they specifically explained that things like cancer is a manifestation of this principle.

This world is in green ray vibration since 1930something, and the societal structure is nowhere near positive, with the system being built on exploitation of a majority for the riches of a minority while a noticeable segment of that majority even harboring negative thought patterns like greed, animosity, hate, hostility, racism and all kinds of things.

These thoughts/energies will create things. Viruses, bacteria are just one manifestation of that. However the energetic/spiritual environment in a planet or even a subregion of a planet is, the life there will take course in that direction, viruses/bacteria included.

As the negative system and thought patterns/energies continue, they will keep creating more destructive things, including viruses and bacteria. That means more illnesses, more pandemics, epidemics and so on.

So this wont be the last. You can even consider this as 'the beginning', or even a warning. It was lethal, killed millions, caused major damage to a larger fraction, and caused major discomfort to an even greater fraction of the society.

Yet even despite that, it was still manageable and mild compared to what could have happened.

Ebola could have been more virulent. Then we were literally in knee-deep sh*t. There is no polite way to say that. And there is no overstatement in that. Black plague can return. Measles already returned thanks to anti-vaccine delirium in US. And it returned only in US, thankfully, because the rest of the world vaccinate their children against measles, chickenpox or polio.

So it can go worse, and unless entire world society rapidly change its orientation to be more positive - not only in subconscious and spirit, but also in conscious mind and action - it will likely go worse. Because negative energies and thoughts creating negative things is a spiritual principle. Its not something random.

There are two ways to deal with this:

- Going positive as soon as possible in a few years, which you know will not happen
- Being wise and taking measures and protecting everyone and the society until that can happen

Places like Asia, China, Korea, Japan, New Zealand are doing the latter. Which is the sane thing to do even if there was no transition happening. That's why they are now free or mostly free of covid and they are back to normal. And they will swiftly deal with whatever happens after this - virulent ebola or black plague 2.0 or whatever else, mainly because they are not self-indulged, irresponsible, rash people who only care about themselves.