David Wilcock

[Ali Quadir]

Good posts 3D.

Tangible material and concrete objections. I will add my comments and though I disagree at some points in the end I can't argue with clear factual verifiable statements.

I also agree with your three categories. Wilcocks reliability depends on what we hope to get from him. The three categories clearly indicate that this differs per person.

If you do graduate, you will most likely move into "fourth-density space/time" and stay with the Earth in this totally new plane of existence that is now about to be born.

Dependent upon your interpretation of some of the author's words, and those of Ra in v, this is either consistent with the Law of One or slightly inconsistent.

By using the term "most likely" the author gives himself some wiggle room that he does not appear to need. Clearly from the TLOO, 4D existence happens in 4D space/time, and per Ra will occur on Earth for those 3D positive entities that graduate hereon.

I interpreted "most likely" in this case refers to the possibility for STS graduation. A small minority will move off planet and will be placed in another 4d negative planet. So there's no real wiggle room just his understanding.

There is much open to interpretation as to what the author means by "move into". If by "moving into" he means death and rebirth, then again this is directly supported by the Law of One. If he means that our 3D bodies will somehow instantaneously transform into 4D bodies (as has been eluded to in other works by the author), then I suggest that this is contrary to the Law of One in the following passage as well as others: (I know that this has been hashed over before, so I beg everyone's indulgence as I provide my interpretation thereof).

I think wilcock is clearly in favor of the instantaneous shift theory. He shows this in his other writings. So he would be opposed in your perceptions. Who is right depends on our understanding and cannot be determined at this point.

Questioner: Then at some time in the future the fourth-density sphere will be fully activated. What is the difference between full activation and partial activation for this sphere?

Ra: I am Ra. At this time the cosmic influxes are conducive to true color green core particles being formed and material of this nature thus being formed. However, there is a mixture of the yellow-ray and green-ray environments at this time necessitating the birthing of transitional mind/body/spirit complex types of energy distortions. At full activation of the true color green density of love the planetary sphere will be solid and inhabitable upon its own and the birthing that takes place will have been transformed through the process of time, shall we say, to the appropriate type of vehicle to appreciate in full the fourth-density planetary environment. At this nexus the green-ray environment exists to a far greater extent in time/space than in space/time.

Questioner: Could you describe the difference that you are speaking of with respect to time/space and space/time?

Ra: I am Ra. For the sake of your understanding we will use the working definition of inner planes. There is a great deal of subtlety invested in this sound vibration complex, but it, by itself, will perhaps fulfill your present need.

Questioner: I will make this statement and have you correct me. What we have is, as our planet is spiraled by the spiraling action of the entire major galaxy and our planetary system spirals into the new position, the fourth density vibrations becoming more and more pronounced. These atomic core vibrations begin to create, more and more completely, the fourth density sphere and the fourth-density bodily complexes for inhabitation of that sphere. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. To be corrected is the concept of the creation of green-ray density bodily complexes. This creation will be gradual and will take place beginning with your third-density type of physical vehicle and, through the means of bisexual reproduction, become by evolutionary processes, the fourth-density body complexes.

Questioner: Then are these entities of whom we have spoken, the third density harvestable who have been transferred, the ones who then will, by bisexual reproduction, create the fourth-density complexes that are necessary?

Ra: I am Ra. The influxes of true color green energy complexes will more and more create the conditions in which the atomic structure of cells of bodily complexes is that of the density of love. The mind/body/spirit complexes inhabiting these physical vehicles will be, and to some extent, are, those of whom you spoke and, as harvest is completed, the harvested entities of this planetary influence.

When I read this, I read that the preparation takes time, it requires specific bodies and minds to be able to make the shift into 4d. But this does not mean that the shift itself won't be instantaneous. I'm not a scholar of the Ra material like you, I think I know Wilcocks work better than the Ra material. So we're going to have to help each other a bit.

Wilcock makes a clear point that the Ra material never suggests a gradual shift from 3 to 4d. All points where it seems this way are slightly ambiguous. Meaning that if you come from one understanding you'll read one thing if you come from another understanding you will read another thing. This is the ambiguity I explained earlier. Quite likely no one truly understands precisely what Ra meant in the places here he had difficulty in translating into our words.

Now that I think of it, could Wilcock when he says shift mean what Ra means with harvest? I believe the harvest was supposedly instantaneous. Most processes in nature are a gradual building up of energy until the whole system falls back to a lower state of energy balance by going through a phase shift. Much like water remains water for a long time if you start cooling it but then suddenly phase shifts and then becomes stable again as you cool it further. It's true to say that the freezing process takes time but it's also somewhat true to say the actual freezing is semi instantaneous. If this is applicable to the 3d to 4d shift then both ways of saying it would be true and indicate this process.

If you do not graduate, you live out the rest of your life in Earth’s third-density time/space — what most people call the ‘astral plane’ — and your next life will be on another third-density planet, custom-built for everyone on Earth who will still need it after the end of Earth’s third-density cycle.

The author here implies that existence in t/s is almost identical to existence in s/t, and could occur in a way that is transparent to the entity. I would say the statement "you live out the rest of your life in Earth’s third-density time/space" is inconsistent with the Law of One in the following passages:

I find it unclear what Wilcock means here, the theory that you will be living in a world of your own creation where it potentially takes a very long time to discover the illusory nature is a recurring theme in many religions.. This is apparently also a natural part of death.

Though we're judging here the compatible to the Law of One not the compatibility to specific religions... Ra warns that it is difficult to describe what happens due to our limitations. But if we ignore that then it seems Wilcock is indeed inconsistent. I think I must conclude that this could very well be a real point depending

It seems clear to me, from this, that existence in time/space could not be confused with 3D space/time. Thus "living out their lives" which implies normalcy seems at odds with the above quote. Still, I suppose that one could argue that the cosmos chooses to create a s/t like environment in t/s and moves those not yet harvestable entities into it. This notion seems inconsistent with the following portion of Law of One:

Actually it's not the universe that does this, it's the individual. Much like a dream state in which we are often unable to realize that you're dreaming. The dream world is the astral. And there does not have to be a one on one mapping with 3d existence before it for it to be convincing to the individual.

The critical point here being that the purpose behind 3D is to sufficiently polarize along your chosen path to allow you to access intelligent infinity and thus prepare you to learn the lessons of love. If one cannot correct imbalances in t/s, then what would be the purpose of continuing to live out your 3D existence there? It would seem that the time would be wasted, and an instantaneous death would be far preferable to wasting time, if you will, (pun unintentionally intended), in a portion of t/s modified somehow to resemble s/t.

Thus, in this quote, I must conclude that the author is basing his statements on works that are at odds with the Law of One.

Actually this is speculation. The Law of One does not actually state this. It's your personal interpretations. While speculation has it's uses lets be careful in drawing conclusions from them...

Only recently have we discovered that apparently a small number of people — most likely those involved in secret government programs and leaning towards the negative path — do stay in "third-density space/time" — i.e. the physical Earth as it exists now — after 2012.

(On a personal note, I find the author's use of the "royal we" in many of these writings is both confusing and condescending. Sometimes "we" means "I" and sometimes "we" really means we. I believe that "we" means "I" in this case.)

I think it means we... Him and his discussion partners. For what it's worth I use we a lot to indicate all humans. But this is a matter of style, I concede that everyone is entitled to dislike David's style so we can focus on the meat of the matter.

Some of them are in underground bases and others stay on the surface of the Earth.

Again, not inconsistent with the Law of One. I would note that the concept of 3D entities existing on 4D Earth is entirely consistent with the Law of One, over time.

If however, the author is implying that 3D entities will coexist with early 4D positive entities on Earth, then here we have both an inconsistency and a conundrum wrt the Law of One. On the one hand, Ra indicates that in an early 4D positive Earth, there will be no 3D entities (indeed, Ra indicates that Earth's Third Density will be placed into "potentiation".

I think the idea is that if the solar system changes a lot people will be able to shield them from the initial effects by hiding in deep underground bases. This idea is not Law of One in origin, I think it's Dan Burisch though I am not 100% certain. As the earth is more and more permeated by the new energy the underground bases will eventually be reached. The analogy to freezing water would be in order. The surface of the earth will be affected by 4d vibrations before the core of the earth is affected. And if the vibrations are stopped by the earth. Then deep underground you're somewhat safe from them. However I doubt this safety will last more than a few years at most. So even that shift in cosmic terms is instantaneous.

I personally find this a weak argument... It might be true it might not be, mostly it seems the negative elite hopes it to be true but there is absolutely no point to mentioning it. Unless you have access to a cold war grade bunker the point is moot.

Burisch is mostly positive but gets his information with the mixed negative perceptions of the STS side. Their interpretations are not neccisarily accurate and I personally take them with a "But that's what you think"

As noted earlier, Ra also indicates that 4D beings will evolve from 3D beings, thus implying that there must be some overlap. This could be reasoned away in the Law of One by saying that those entities giving birth to the first 4D beings are dual activated 3D entities, which although they are truly 3D entities, they have already been harvested, and will be able to survive on the 4D Earth, or alternatively that Earth's Third Density body will not be placed into potentiation until after the last dual activated entity has transitioned. The author on the other hand, appears to resolve this by assuming that harvestable 3D positive entities "simultaneously transmute", as it were, into 4D positive entities. As noted in the quote above, I feel that this concept is inconsistent with the Law of One.

I understand that wilcock means that humanity already evolved to potentially ascend. The actual ascension is when those that evolved graduate, and those who did not fail to graduate.

For what it's worth, that is my assessment of the passage presented. I hope that it is of some value in the discussion.

I think you did well, we don't agree on all points but I now have a much clearer understanding in what ways Wilcock "violates" (another strong word) the original Law of One material... In my opinion the differences lie mostly in his attempt to integrate the Law of One material with other sources. Even if he succeeded (which we on this discussion have not established yet) these kind of friction points must exist where our understanding of the original material does not translate to his interpretations. This is not to say his understanding is invalid, it could be ours. I'm speaking objectively here. The truth is superpositioned on both sides of the fence. Ra made it clear that translating into human terminology is sometimes challenging even to him. He also conceded that in the past his interference in human affairs has not always panned out as he expected. So we must assume the possibility that our "literal" interpretation is biased in ways he did not intend or expect.

I have no problems with this view or with drawing different conclusions from it, our diversity is part of our strength.

If the differences are no more then light differences in interpretation then I would call it ambiguity and conclude that the truth is somewhere in the middle.


As to the point of death. Perhaps the problem here lies in the fact that you can look at death from two angles. If you take it to mean that you cease to exist on a 3d level then clearly ascension requires death. If you take it to mean that we have the experience of dying then this does not have to be true. An instantaneous shift from 3d into 4d which he compared to stepping through a stargate is probably not comparable to a death experience. But what do I know, my heart is beating, I am not an authority on death.

The ambiguity of language plays a role once again.