(Note: I began this post prior to several posts which frankly concern me. It seems that this discussion is becoming the quagmire that I feared it would. My colleagues appear on the brink of attacking each other, rather than discussing the facts, because there seems to be no agreed upon framework for the discussions to take place. Thus it is with some apprehension that I now make this post, but make it I will in an attempt to "cut to the meat" of the issue, at least in my humble opinion. Should I choose to post on this topic again, then my future posts will be more brief and attempt to address one single point rather than a few paragraphs as I did here. I would suggest a similar approach in order to keep the posts of a more manageable size and focus the otherwise fragmented discussion.)
As to your request to use only the Law of One though Q, I believe that you may be disappointed, primarily because there are many transitory topics on which The Law of One is mute (not moot, mind you, but mute, meaning it provides no or vanishingly little information). I would also agree with Ali in that David does not present this information as being derived from the Law of One, or even interpreted from it. What Mr. Wilcock (henceforth referred to as "the author") attests is that his theories are consistent with the Law of One. This makes our task of scholarly analysis of his theories wrt the Law of One somewhat more complicated, since to challenge the author's assertions, we find ourselves needing to enumerate assertions that are inconsistent with the Law of One in areas where the Law of One is largely silent.
Given that caveat, I'd like to dissect the quote and examine it in pieces looking for areas where we may find inconsistencies. I will triage his statements, based upon my interpretation of the Law of One, as follows:
1. Consistent with the Law of One - Consistent with my reading of the Law of One (For efficiency of time, references will only be cited upon PM request.)
2. Not inconsistent with the Law of One - In my opinion, the statement is on a topic that is not discussed in the Law of One (No references will be cited, since this is like proving a negative.)
3. Inconsistent with the Law of One - The statement conflicts with my interpretation of the Law of One (References will be cited that are in conflict with the statement.)
Dependent upon your interpretation of some of the author's words, and those of Ra in v, this is either consistent with the Law of One or slightly inconsistent.
By using the term "most likely" the author gives himself some wiggle room that he does not appear to need. Clearly from the TLOO, 4D existence happens in 4D space/time, and per Ra will occur on Earth for those 3D positive entities that graduate hereon.
There is much open to interpretation as to what the author means by "move into". If by "moving into" he means death and rebirth, then again this is directly supported by the Law of One. If he means that our 3D bodies will somehow instantaneously transform into 4D bodies (as has been eluded to in other works by the author), then I suggest that this is contrary to the Law of One in the following passage as well as others: (I know that this has been hashed over before, so I beg everyone's indulgence as I provide my interpretation thereof).
The author here implies that existence in t/s is almost identical to existence in s/t, and could occur in a way that is transparent to the entity. I would say the statement "you live out the rest of your life in Earth’s third-density time/space" is inconsistent with the Law of One in the following passages:
It seems clear to me, from this, that existence in time/space could not be confused with 3D space/time. Thus "living out their lives" which implies normalcy seems at odds with the above quote. Still, I suppose that one could argue that the cosmos chooses to create a s/t like environment in t/s and moves those not yet harvestable entities into it. This notion seems inconsistent with the following portion of Law of One:
Again, not inconsistent with the Law of One. I would note that the concept of 3D entities existing on 4D Earth is entirely consistent with the Law of One, over time.
If however, the author is implying that 3D entities will coexist with early 4D positive entities on Earth, then here we have both an inconsistency and a conundrum wrt the Law of One. On the one hand, Ra indicates that in an early 4D positive Earth, there will be no 3D entities (indeed, Ra indicates that Earth's Third Density will be placed into "potentiation".
As noted earlier, Ra also indicates that 4D beings will evolve from 3D beings, thus implying that there must be some overlap. This could be reasoned away in the Law of One by saying that those entities giving birth to the first 4D beings are dual activated 3D entities, which although they are truly 3D entities, they have already been harvested, and will be able to survive on the 4D Earth, or alternatively that Earth's Third Density body will not be placed into potentiation until after the last dual activated entity has transitioned. The author on the other hand, appears to resolve this by assuming that harvestable 3D positive entities "simultaneously transmute", as it were, into 4D positive entities. As noted in the quote above, I feel that this concept is inconsistent with the Law of One.
Again, not inconsistent with the Law of One. The proposition of 3D entities co-existing with 4D entities on a 4D positive Earth is consistent with the Law of One. Given that the purpose for 3D life at all, is to choose, I would conclude that when a 3D re-population occurs, that both positive and negative polarization and harvests would be possible.
For what it's worth, that is my assessment of the passage presented. I hope that it is of some value in the discussion.
Love and Light,
3D Sunset
As to your request to use only the Law of One though Q, I believe that you may be disappointed, primarily because there are many transitory topics on which The Law of One is mute (not moot, mind you, but mute, meaning it provides no or vanishingly little information). I would also agree with Ali in that David does not present this information as being derived from the Law of One, or even interpreted from it. What Mr. Wilcock (henceforth referred to as "the author") attests is that his theories are consistent with the Law of One. This makes our task of scholarly analysis of his theories wrt the Law of One somewhat more complicated, since to challenge the author's assertions, we find ourselves needing to enumerate assertions that are inconsistent with the Law of One in areas where the Law of One is largely silent.
Given that caveat, I'd like to dissect the quote and examine it in pieces looking for areas where we may find inconsistencies. I will triage his statements, based upon my interpretation of the Law of One, as follows:
1. Consistent with the Law of One - Consistent with my reading of the Law of One (For efficiency of time, references will only be cited upon PM request.)
2. Not inconsistent with the Law of One - In my opinion, the statement is on a topic that is not discussed in the Law of One (No references will be cited, since this is like proving a negative.)
3. Inconsistent with the Law of One - The statement conflicts with my interpretation of the Law of One (References will be cited that are in conflict with the statement.)
David Wilcock Wrote:If you do graduate, you will most likely move into "fourth-density space/time" and stay with the Earth in this totally new plane of existence that is now about to be born.
Dependent upon your interpretation of some of the author's words, and those of Ra in v, this is either consistent with the Law of One or slightly inconsistent.
By using the term "most likely" the author gives himself some wiggle room that he does not appear to need. Clearly from the TLOO, 4D existence happens in 4D space/time, and per Ra will occur on Earth for those 3D positive entities that graduate hereon.
There is much open to interpretation as to what the author means by "move into". If by "moving into" he means death and rebirth, then again this is directly supported by the Law of One. If he means that our 3D bodies will somehow instantaneously transform into 4D bodies (as has been eluded to in other works by the author), then I suggest that this is contrary to the Law of One in the following passage as well as others: (I know that this has been hashed over before, so I beg everyone's indulgence as I provide my interpretation thereof).
Ra, Book III, Session 63 Wrote:Questioner: Then at some time in the future the fourth-density sphere will be fully activated. What is the difference between full activation and partial activation for this sphere?
Ra: I am Ra. At this time the cosmic influxes are conducive to true color green core particles being formed and material of this nature thus being formed. However, there is a mixture of the yellow-ray and green-ray environments at this time necessitating the birthing of transitional mind/body/spirit complex types of energy distortions. At full activation of the true color green density of love the planetary sphere will be solid and inhabitable upon its own and the birthing that takes place will have been transformed through the process of time, shall we say, to the appropriate type of vehicle to appreciate in full the fourth-density planetary environment. At this nexus the green-ray environment exists to a far greater extent in time/space than in space/time.
Questioner: Could you describe the difference that you are speaking of with respect to time/space and space/time?
Ra: I am Ra. For the sake of your understanding we will use the working definition of inner planes. There is a great deal of subtlety invested in this sound vibration complex, but it, by itself, will perhaps fulfill your present need.
Questioner: I will make this statement and have you correct me. What we have is, as our planet is spiraled by the spiraling action of the entire major galaxy and our planetary system spirals into the new position, the fourth density vibrations becoming more and more pronounced. These atomic core vibrations begin to create, more and more completely, the fourth density sphere and the fourth-density bodily complexes for inhabitation of that sphere. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. To be corrected is the concept of the creation of green-ray density bodily complexes. This creation will be gradual and will take place beginning with your third-density type of physical vehicle and, through the means of bisexual reproduction, become by evolutionary processes, the fourth-density body complexes.
Questioner: Then are these entities of whom we have spoken, the third density harvestable who have been transferred, the ones who then will, by bisexual reproduction, create the fourth-density complexes that are necessary?
Ra: I am Ra. The influxes of true color green energy complexes will more and more create the conditions in which the atomic structure of cells of bodily complexes is that of the density of love. The mind/body/spirit complexes inhabiting these physical vehicles will be, and to some extent, are, those of whom you spoke and, as harvest is completed, the harvested entities of this planetary influence.
David Wilcock Wrote:If you do not graduate, you live out the rest of your life in Earth’s third-density time/space — what most people call the ‘astral plane’ — and your next life will be on another third-density planet, custom-built for everyone on Earth who will still need it after the end of Earth’s third-density cycle.
The author here implies that existence in t/s is almost identical to existence in s/t, and could occur in a way that is transparent to the entity. I would say the statement "you live out the rest of your life in Earth’s third-density time/space" is inconsistent with the Law of One in the following passages:
Ra, Book III, Session 71 Wrote:Questioner: As an entity goes through the death process in third-density it finds itself in time/space. It finds itself in a different set of circumstances. Would you please describe the circumstances or properties of time/space and then the process of healing of incarnative experiences that some entities encounter?
Ra: I am Ra. Although this query is difficult to answer adequately, due to the limitations of your space/time sound vibration complexes, we shall respond to the best of our ability.
The hallmark of time/space is the inequity between time and space. In your space/time the spatial orientation of material causes a tangible framework for illusion. In time/space the inequity is upon the shoulders of that property known to you as time. This property renders entities and experiences intangible in a relative sense. In your framework each particle or core vibration moves at a velocity which approaches what you call the speed of light from the direction of supraluminal velocities.
Thus the time/space or metaphysical experience is that which is very finely tuned and, although an analog of space/time, lacking in its tangible characteristics. In these metaphysical planes there is a great deal of what you call time which is used to review and re-review the biases and learn/teachings of a prior, as you would call it, space/time incarnation. The extreme fluidity of these regions makes it possible for much to be penetrated which must needs be absorbed before the process of healing of an entity may be accomplished. Each entity is located in a somewhat immobile state much as you are located in space/time in a somewhat immobile state in time. In this immobile space the entity has been placed by the form-maker and higher self so that it may be in the proper configuration for learn/teaching that which it has received in the space/time incarnation.
Depending upon this time/space locus there will be certain helpers which assist in this healing process. The process involves seeing in full the experience, seeing it against the backdrop of the mind/body/spirit complex total experience, forgiving the self for all missteps as regards the missed guideposts during the incarnation and, finally, the careful assessment of the next necessities for learning. This is done entirely by the higher self until an entity has become conscious in space/time of the process and means of spiritual evolution at which time the entity will consciously take part in all decisions.
It seems clear to me, from this, that existence in time/space could not be confused with 3D space/time. Thus "living out their lives" which implies normalcy seems at odds with the above quote. Still, I suppose that one could argue that the cosmos chooses to create a s/t like environment in t/s and moves those not yet harvestable entities into it. This notion seems inconsistent with the following portion of Law of One:
"Ra, Book III, Session 71"]Questioner: Is the process in positive time/space identical with the process in negative time/space for this healing?
Ra: I am Ra. The process in space/time of the forgiveness and acceptance is much like that in time/space in that the qualities of the process are analogous. However, while in space/time it is not possible to determine the course of events beyond the incarnation but only to correct present imbalances. In time/space, upon the other hand, it is not possible to correct any unbalanced actions but rather to perceive the imbalances and thusly forgive the self for that which is.
The decisions then are made to set up the possibility/probabilities of correcting these imbalances in what you call future space/time experiences. The advantage of time/space is that of the fluidity of the grand overview. The advantage of space/time is that, working in darkness with a tiny candle, one may correct imbalances.[/quote]
The critical point here being that the purpose behind 3D is to sufficiently polarize along your chosen path to allow you to access intelligent infinity and thus prepare you to learn the lessons of love. If one cannot correct imbalances in t/s, then what would be the purpose of continuing to live out your 3D existence there? It would seem that the time would be wasted, and an instantaneous death would be far preferable to wasting time, if you will, (pun unintentionally intended), in a portion of t/s modified somehow to resemble s/t. The universe seems quite efficient in the allocation of its resources to accomplish a goal, even if it then provides unlimited opportunities, based upon free will, to achieve the proper balances to continue. The concept of existing in t/s with no opportunity to polarize seems contrary to both the above passage of the Law of One and the notion of an efficient allocation of resources.
Thus, in this quote, I must conclude that the author is basing his statements on works that are at odds with the Law of One.
David Wilcock Wrote:Only recently have we discovered that apparently a small number of people — most likely those involved in secret government programs and leaning towards the negative path — do stay in "third-density space/time" — i.e. the physical Earth as it exists now — after 2012.
(On a personal note, I find the authors use of the "royal we" in many of these writings is both confusing and condescending. Sometimes "we" means "I" and sometimes "we" really means we. I believe that "we" means "I" in this case.) Still, this statement is not inconsistent with the Law of One, as the Law of One never indicates that anything will happen in 2012 to remove third density s/t entities from the Earth.
[Quote="David Wilcock Wrote:Some of them are in underground bases and others stay on the surface of the Earth.
Again, not inconsistent with the Law of One. I would note that the concept of 3D entities existing on 4D Earth is entirely consistent with the Law of One, over time.
If however, the author is implying that 3D entities will coexist with early 4D positive entities on Earth, then here we have both an inconsistency and a conundrum wrt the Law of One. On the one hand, Ra indicates that in an early 4D positive Earth, there will be no 3D entities (indeed, Ra indicates that Earth's Third Density will be placed into "potentiation".
Ra, Book III, Session 62 Wrote:Questioner: Then as the fourth-density vibrations come in this means that
the planet can support entities of fourth-density core vibration. Will the planet then still be first-density core vibration and will there be seconddensity entities on it with second-density vibrations, and will there be thirddensity entities on it with third-density vibrations?
Ra: You must see the Earth, as you call it, as being seven Earths. There is red, orange, yellow, and there will soon be a completed green color vibratory locus for fourth-density entities which they will call Earth. During the fourth-density experience, due to the lack of development of fourthdensity entities, the third-density planetary sphere is not useful for habitation since the early fourth-density entity will not know precisely how to maintain the illusion that fourth-density cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available to any third-density.
As noted earlier, Ra also indicates that 4D beings will evolve from 3D beings, thus implying that there must be some overlap. This could be reasoned away in the Law of One by saying that those entities giving birth to the first 4D beings are dual activated 3D entities, which although they are truly 3D entities, they have already been harvested, and will be able to survive on the 4D Earth, or alternatively that Earth's Third Density body will not be placed into potentiation until after the last dual activated entity has transitioned. The author on the other hand, appears to resolve this by assuming that harvestable 3D positive entities "simultaneously transmute", as it were, into 4D positive entities. As noted in the quote above, I feel that this concept is inconsistent with the Law of One.
David Wilcock Wrote:Some of these people who remain in third-density space/time also evolve into fourth-density, but as far as we can tell they graduate into the negative path".
Again, not inconsistent with the Law of One. The proposition of 3D entities co-existing with 4D entities on a 4D positive Earth is consistent with the Law of One. Given that the purpose for 3D life at all, is to choose, I would conclude that when a 3D re-population occurs, that both positive and negative polarization and harvests would be possible.
For what it's worth, that is my assessment of the passage presented. I hope that it is of some value in the discussion.
Love and Light,
3D Sunset