11-09-2019, 10:29 PM
I posted on the question of objectivity in relation to positivity separately in the thread, "Objectivity & subjectivity in relation to positivity & negativity". I build some basic ideas on a foundation along the lines of what I think old L/L Research thinking is like, and the contrast with the Cassiopaean Experiment is striking. It's a large enough subject that giving it its own discussion seemed best.
Below, I'll follow up on the valuable pointer to Montalk.
A later topic to explore in more detail is differences in how the polarities are understood. And, also, the curious difference in how 5D is defined.
It is certainly relevant, and Montalk's overview of the change of mentality after the 2003 turning point made very interesting reading. (Years ago, I remember looking at what Montalk wrote, but I did not fully understand it. At the time, I still trusted the Cassiopaea core group on the basis of all the knowledge they had, and what seemed like a good track record.)
The hindsight view is that I came for the knowledge and stayed for the tunnel vision. But since my ties to the group were idealistic at the core, all else grown out of that, I mentally diverged in proportion to the watering down and replacing of esoteric ideas, spiritual ideals, etc., in later years. There's been another shift in mentality since that which Montalk described.
The three spiritualities of the Cassiopaean Experiment are, briefly, as follows:
1. Taking concepts at face value, including a metaphysics similar to that of Ra, but with some nuances relating to polarity omitted and replaced by others, 5D redefined, and much extra in the way of material similar to that in book 5 of the Law of One.
2. An esoteric school which is a lighthouse in a world of darkness, constantly opposed by the forces of "The Matrix" to an extreme. With a unique and shifting idea of "objectivity", and a mixing and matching of Fourth Way concepts and regular psychology, it led people to leave their own personal bubbles and instead inhabit the collective bubble of the online community. Personal spirituality and inspiration became stifled in service to "objectivity" and collective aims.
3. Spirituality as "healthy and normal" community living and political activism. "Healthy and normal" is rediscovered and reinvented as research continues. The old understanding that politics is a stage-managed show where mainstream options are all dirty is replaced by a focus on supporting the lesser evil as the way of opposing the greater evil. Those who find that meaningless simply fail to understand reality. Those who find "healthy and normal" too crass and shallow are either too "subjective" or far worse. Jesus represents weakness and passivity, while real action heroes like Caesar and Putin are true STO role models.
Montalk's old article has more to say on the transition from #1 to #2, and about #2. The transition from #2 to #3 is more recent, and there's more that could be said about it and about #3. Briefly, the newer transition was more gradual, with a series of smaller steps taking place in the years 2011-2015, gradually bringing the new focus.
2016 was the year in which I think a parallel development went beyond the point of no return. There was a choice, at some level, to respond to dramatically increased catalyst by viewing it all as attacks from evil forces to be fended off, rather than as signs pointing to the need to learn lessons.
The scale was new, and the events were accidents, illnesses, and things breaking. But the basic response-pattern was old. Montalk really gives an example in describing his old unpleasant experience of being defamed with an accusation without evidence, and what happened after, in a type of symbolic backfiring. Long story short, Laura's view is that the bad outcome for her was simply The Matrix going after her. The intense catalyst of the much later period was similarly seen as evil forces ramping up their activity, except for an emphasis on the "vulnerabilities" to attack which the people around Laura bring, at the cost of her suffering.
I think an option still existed to change the trajectory leading to a 4D STS future for the community (a likely future Montalk foresaw), but that it was rejected in 2016. Regarding that, some of the impressions I noted earlier in this thread from recent years are relevant.
A personally relevant example is how, for roughly a decade, the idea has been trumpeted that within the next few years, a catastrophic ice age onset similar to in the movie The Day After Tomorrow may happen. By now, that alarmism has gotten old as far as I'm concerned; and unconcerned, I'll keep on going here up north in Scandinavia.
I have actually wondered more recently if the idea of an "ice age" can be reinterpreted symbolically, as in a prediction of a "spiritual ice age" - if negative forces win a decisive victory in the near future. And if they don't, then the "spiritual climate" may very well change, and the "spiritual cooling" observed in recent years may reverse.
Below, I'll follow up on the valuable pointer to Montalk.
A later topic to explore in more detail is differences in how the polarities are understood. And, also, the curious difference in how 5D is defined.
(07-22-2019, 02:42 AM)zvonimir Wrote: http://montalk.net/montalkvsqfs.htm
The important points to remember are:
1) There is a difference between the message (Cassiopaean Transcripts) and the messenger (Laura Knight and the Quantum Future Group).
2) The message (1994-2002) is still viable and I recommend it, but the messenger and channel (2003+) are now corrupt beyond hope.
It is certainly relevant, and Montalk's overview of the change of mentality after the 2003 turning point made very interesting reading. (Years ago, I remember looking at what Montalk wrote, but I did not fully understand it. At the time, I still trusted the Cassiopaea core group on the basis of all the knowledge they had, and what seemed like a good track record.)
The hindsight view is that I came for the knowledge and stayed for the tunnel vision. But since my ties to the group were idealistic at the core, all else grown out of that, I mentally diverged in proportion to the watering down and replacing of esoteric ideas, spiritual ideals, etc., in later years. There's been another shift in mentality since that which Montalk described.
The three spiritualities of the Cassiopaean Experiment are, briefly, as follows:
1. Taking concepts at face value, including a metaphysics similar to that of Ra, but with some nuances relating to polarity omitted and replaced by others, 5D redefined, and much extra in the way of material similar to that in book 5 of the Law of One.
2. An esoteric school which is a lighthouse in a world of darkness, constantly opposed by the forces of "The Matrix" to an extreme. With a unique and shifting idea of "objectivity", and a mixing and matching of Fourth Way concepts and regular psychology, it led people to leave their own personal bubbles and instead inhabit the collective bubble of the online community. Personal spirituality and inspiration became stifled in service to "objectivity" and collective aims.
3. Spirituality as "healthy and normal" community living and political activism. "Healthy and normal" is rediscovered and reinvented as research continues. The old understanding that politics is a stage-managed show where mainstream options are all dirty is replaced by a focus on supporting the lesser evil as the way of opposing the greater evil. Those who find that meaningless simply fail to understand reality. Those who find "healthy and normal" too crass and shallow are either too "subjective" or far worse. Jesus represents weakness and passivity, while real action heroes like Caesar and Putin are true STO role models.
Montalk's old article has more to say on the transition from #1 to #2, and about #2. The transition from #2 to #3 is more recent, and there's more that could be said about it and about #3. Briefly, the newer transition was more gradual, with a series of smaller steps taking place in the years 2011-2015, gradually bringing the new focus.
2016 was the year in which I think a parallel development went beyond the point of no return. There was a choice, at some level, to respond to dramatically increased catalyst by viewing it all as attacks from evil forces to be fended off, rather than as signs pointing to the need to learn lessons.
The scale was new, and the events were accidents, illnesses, and things breaking. But the basic response-pattern was old. Montalk really gives an example in describing his old unpleasant experience of being defamed with an accusation without evidence, and what happened after, in a type of symbolic backfiring. Long story short, Laura's view is that the bad outcome for her was simply The Matrix going after her. The intense catalyst of the much later period was similarly seen as evil forces ramping up their activity, except for an emphasis on the "vulnerabilities" to attack which the people around Laura bring, at the cost of her suffering.
I think an option still existed to change the trajectory leading to a 4D STS future for the community (a likely future Montalk foresaw), but that it was rejected in 2016. Regarding that, some of the impressions I noted earlier in this thread from recent years are relevant.
(07-21-2019, 11:46 AM)ada Wrote: What set me off from the material was the constant predictions and prophecies.
A personally relevant example is how, for roughly a decade, the idea has been trumpeted that within the next few years, a catastrophic ice age onset similar to in the movie The Day After Tomorrow may happen. By now, that alarmism has gotten old as far as I'm concerned; and unconcerned, I'll keep on going here up north in Scandinavia.
I have actually wondered more recently if the idea of an "ice age" can be reinterpreted symbolically, as in a prediction of a "spiritual ice age" - if negative forces win a decisive victory in the near future. And if they don't, then the "spiritual climate" may very well change, and the "spiritual cooling" observed in recent years may reverse.