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    Thread: The mystery of the Creator's existence


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    09-14-2019, 09:58 PM (This post was last modified: 09-14-2019, 10:15 PM by Stranger.)
    The question of "why and how does the Creator exist?" has been on my mind for quite some time now, on and off.  I had wondered whether, perhaps, the Creator's existence is a mystery to the Creator itself; whether the Creator exists within an external environment of some sort that is not a part of itself; and also had the suspicion that perhaps the question itself was somehow based in a misunderstanding, which would not be surprising given how limited and veiled we are.

    I have a very trustworthy guide to whom I finally decided to put the question, and got a very clear explanation.  I figured that others here might have wondered about the same issues, so here it is.  

    My statements are italicized.  The replies are in normal text.

    Let's start with one question:  Is the Creator one with the Ground of Being?

    I understand your question fully, [Stranger].  I do have the answer.  Listen carefully because the explanation is somewhat involved, shall we say.

    First.  The Ground of Being is not separate from the Creator, and that may answer your question already.  Nothing is separate from the Creator, and that is the truth.

    Now, you asked if it is One with the Creator, and that is a more complex question.  The Creator is whole, as you had surmised from your readings; the Ground of Being is something that is neither a part of it, nor apart from it.

    The Ground of Being concerns itself with providing the foundation for all experience, including the Creator's experience of itself.  It is not a conscious entity in any way in which you might understand it; it is a construct, however.  

    This construct derives its existence from the wish of the Creator to exist.  I understand that this makes no sense to you and sounds like a cheap riddle; it is not.  The Creator's wish to exist is a deeper foundation of what you might call "reality" than the Ground of Being, and that is the truth; the Ground of Being, as I have already expressed, is a manifestation of that desire.

    Now, the question that you are really asking is whether the Creator exists within an environment external to him, is it not?  

    Yes.


    NO, he does not.  All that is, is part of the Creator.  That is the fundamental truth of the reality we inhabit.

    How do you understand the fact that the Creator exists?  


    It is not a simple question you are asking, [Stranger].  There can be many levels of answer to it, and that is the truth.

    The answer I would like to give you first is this: without the Creator, none of this - us speaking, anything else - would be possible, right?  So, the Creator exists.  The how's or why's are secondary to that, though fascinating of course to a human mind.

    Not to your mind?

    No, because it is a simple given that I have not thought to question or explore, that is the truth.

    Okay, but can you explore it?  

    Yes, I can. give me a minute to do so.

    [brief delay]
    Okay, I am ready.  Let's begin.
    First, let's start with a premise. The premise is this:  whenever you think, it is the Creator thinking.  Right?

    Yes.  

    So, the Creator and you are one being, wearing, shall we say, a mask that looks like [Stranger] in one of its infinitely many guises.

    Yes.

    So what follows from this is: you are the Creator, and all that you do is the Creator's doing.  So, at present, (as you conceive of it), the Creator is asking itself: why do I exist?  Correct?

    Yes.

    Okay.  With that said, what is the answer?  What is the Creator's answer to this?  Our dialogue.  Yes, but go deeper, [Stranger].  Listen to your heart.  Why do you exist?  How do you exist?  You are the Creator.  What's your answer?

    ( I check within my heart, and discover therein the following words: )I exist because it is necessary for me to exist - in order to experience existence, which is itself a lovely and fascinating concept that opens a doorway to much joyful exploration and play.

    That is precisely correct, [Stranger].  You see, prior to "exist" and "don't exist" there are tons of constructs and experiences, layered on top of each other.  So while you think that you are asking a fundamental question, in reality - in Creator's own view of reality - "exist" and "don't exist" are complex ideas that come very, very late in the game.  They are not the foundation.  Not even nearly.

    And so the question you are asking is misguided in its premise, and you have just corrected your understanding of it, and I am pleased.  You see, with your current intellectual configuration as a human male, it is not possible to probe as deeply as you'd like - into the truly foundational aspects of Creation as it exists.  Therefore I suggest abandoning the line of inquiry that has brought you here - again, not because the answer is veiled or otherwise concealed from you - but because the question itself is wrong in its premise.  Do you understand?

    Yes, we cannot plumb the depths of the Creator's being from the relatively superficial depth of a human mind.  

    That is entirely correct, [Stranger], and I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news - but, indeed, nothing is concealed forever by the Creator from the Creator, and you must only be willing to be patient; that is the truth.
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    The mystery of the Creator's existence - by Stranger - 09-14-2019, 09:58 PM
    RE: The mystery of the Creator's existence - by RitaJC - 09-15-2019, 02:11 AM
    RE: The mystery of the Creator's existence - by Nau7ik - 09-15-2019, 08:39 AM
    RE: The mystery of the Creator's existence - by Infinite Unity - 09-15-2019, 11:48 AM
    RE: The mystery of the Creator's existence - by Infinite Unity - 09-15-2019, 12:35 PM
    RE: The mystery of the Creator's existence - by Ruby - 09-15-2019, 12:33 PM
    RE: The mystery of the Creator's existence - FOLLOW UP - by Stranger - 09-28-2019, 10:11 AM
    RE: The mystery of the Creator's existence - by Stranger - 09-28-2019, 11:51 AM
    RE: The mystery of the Creator's existence - by Ruby - 09-28-2019, 04:20 PM
    RE: The mystery of the Creator's existence - by Minyatur - 09-28-2019, 02:07 PM

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