(12-30-2010, 04:00 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I think it's remarkable that, although a wanderer may have experienced many millions of years evolving self, they can come to 3rd density and ignore learning potential. They are invariably biased to the more subtle energies (i.e. indicated by activity restricted to the upper chakras) and sort of get lost in some claustrophobic intimacy with 'higher realms', or become mesmerized, distracted in a state of spiritual pride or of hope or longing for something higher. They tend to put their spiritual nature on a 'pedestal', out of reach and not actually own, or examine or question what it means to them. Here, in 3rd density is an amazing opportunity to make things 'real' through actually determining our biases, but the opportunity is often thrown away in wanderers' 'la-la land' natures.
For what it's worth, I think there may be many types of wanderers who incarnate to accomplish their own goals. It's possible that having some of the attributes you listed above are just what they need to carry out their mission. This might make no sense to someone else, or even to themselves, and yet their higher self may see that their lower self is doing it perfectly. Just speculation of course.
(12-30-2010, 04:00 PM)zenmaster Wrote: So it's a 'good thing' that channeling or new-age thought is ignored or even laughed at, because it often is not capable of offering anything of value to a lot of the development that takes place here. If the wanderers presenting the information never bothered to bridge their own lower and higher levels of understanding (i.e. not capable of reaching down), how can they ever expect their audience to include those who are 'reaching up'?
As far as it being good or bad, I don't really know. It just is as it is, although it makes me feel bad sometimes, ha! Which of course is a quick indicator that I've something to work on there. But anyways, I agree with a part of the above in that there are very specific lessons to be learned here on Earth in a 3D body, that you just can't get any other way so quickly. (I am reminded of what Ra said about crawling in the dark with a candle and working vs. seeing everything at once and in full context, but being unable to do the work) And that's why we're here of course, to crawl and learn. I've thought about that a bit lately, actually. There are lots of threads here on the forum where we're trying to dissect and understand things like time/space, octaves, infinity and so on. While this is sort of fun to me, it's really an exercise in intellectual thought and not essential in any way to what we came here to do. It might even be distracting if taken to excess. I mean, why would we go to the trouble of being born, then going through all our years of growth and development, just to become an expert on something we were an expert on by default before we were born? Not just that, but doing so now with only part of the story (Ra material) and doing it in the opposite dimension (space/time) where our very nature as physical beings makes it really hard to understand, even if we got it right?
I say it's a far better use of time to try and understand the relationship you have with your father in law. Or to figure out just why you get angry when your spouse doesn't put her shoes to the side of the room instead of leaving them in the middle... Or do try and figure out why your first response is a lie when you are asked about being late for a meeting. Or, of course, taking on the bigger and more obvious issues you might have. (We <i>all</i> have <i>some</i> issues...) That's the real meat of what we're doing here I think- even if we get the conclusions wrong, the mere effort of trying to love more honestly or live more in harmony with yourself is a worthy goal and probably means the world to our overall goals across incarnations.
Whoa, sorry for the side tangent there
(12-30-2010, 04:00 PM)zenmaster Wrote: So while the wanderer may be "lightening the vibration of the planet", at the same time, the service they could offer others by serving as a 'bridge' to this light - by becoming more fully balanced by including their 'lower natures' in their own development - is considerable. How can one be a steward of 3D life without appreciating the value of 3D life conditions here?
You sort of lost me at the end here, do you mean that channelers would be more effective in communicating their information (or wanderers more effective in radiating their being) if they were more grounded in reality themselves, so that they could better relate to most peoples' everyday experience? I think you may be one to something if that's what you intended. As it happens, I know many people of whom I suspect Wanderer's status and are easy to talk to / understand. They're great people to be around.
L&L, E
I've moved part of this chat in to a new thread, here:
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=2040