(03-30-2019, 01:14 PM)Infinite Wrote: I'm talking about astral body. If you note, the bodies describes by Ra are the same of the esoteric traditions. Ra made comparisons. And as I said above, I believe these bodies will be activated one by one as the entity ascend to higher densities. So, yes, I agree with you that these bodies are the red-ray or manifestation bodies of the higher densities.
My doubt was because mental, causal and buddhic bodies seems "inhabit" the right colors. But the astral body doesn't. However, I suppose that is because each plane until causal plane (sub-density of sixth-density) has lower and middle vibrations, or negative sub-densities. Something like lower and middle mental and causal planes. The STO entity will inhabit the true color and the STS entity the orange/yellow sub-colors.
I understand.
The fact is, there are a lot of subjects I wish that they would have asked Ra a lot more about. But they had limited time, unfortunately.
It is a confusing subject, for sure.
I think "astral" has been misapplied in a variety of ways, by occultists, and also by Ra in that specific session referencing bodies. For example, what most occultists would consider the causal, Ra called etheric, and what most occultists call etheric they referenced as the "shell of yellow ray" (in a separate session as I noted earlier in regards earthbound spirits). So I think there is a lot of confusion ripe for picking there.
It took me a long time to come to the conclusion that they were referring to physicality and space/time rather than non-physicality and time/space. Part of the reason I came to that conclusion was all the references to fourth density and it having physicality (like earlier when I mentioned them referencing the use of the frontal lobes in fourth density). Also, when they mentioned devachanic bodies they gave an important clue as well by saying, "There are many, many types of bodies in each density, much like your own." That made me stop and think. Many different types of bodies. Other densities. That was a big tip off they were referring to physical bodies (at least, from my perspective). Because a nonphysical body can assume whatever configuration, shape, or form (caveat: for the most part). For example, you can have completely different shapes on the astral plane, and sometimes, no form at all (that becomes closer to a mental plane experience). So in the end, I was forced to conclude that the green ray body they were describing was a physical one. Sort of like how you brought up once the idea of a "solar astral" body and a "lunar astral" body, which some occultists have distinguished. I think they were using it in some sense like that, like one was a sort of physicalized version of the astral body (the physical fourth density body) and other references were more toward inner planes (like we've discussed before). And also there is the matter of the huge variety in elements that compose a physical body (I'm thinking of the plant/animal kingdom). So I'm sure the physicality of higher densities is full of lots of weird and varying forms.
Another reason they might have referred to that as astral, in that session, is that some astral travelers claim to gather "ectoplasm" and then project into our physical world -- something I would probably call an "etheric projection". They are, presumably, collecting green ray matter, and then projecting out of their 3rd density body into this body and going about exploring in that conjured body. The collected ectoplasm may give certain occultists advantages (being able to tangibly observe the physical world from an out of body vantage point while still incarnate -- Robert Bruce actually said something like this). I can neither confirm, nor deny, this is how it works (because I simply don't know), but I feel strongly there was something like this being relayed by Ra in that session. Again, more confusion.
It may be that I'm completely wrong too, but this is what feels and seems the most true to me at this time. I'll be sure to note if my mind ever changes on the topic though. I think in some sense, it is better to think of infinite bodies and planes, because although there is a rainbow of different vibratory levels and spectrums, I think the planes seamlessly blend together (like the atmosphere). That is not to say there isn't a definite barrier at the edges of changing densities (that is a bigger transformation). But there is basically endless stratification on the inner planes. The body of those realms is whatever the material of the plane you are intersecting, which then becomes the thoughtform of "outer" or "body". So it might be more fruitful to think of it in those terms than trying to narrow it down to 7 specific vehicles (or 5 if you are going off of eastern literature).
Also I wanted to say that every density, in my opinion, has all of these planes. Even sixth, and negative beings reside in the time/space of these levels here just as surely as they do in every other density that allows negative beings to exist. And they aren't separated from one another. So these might seem like dark gods in the lower planes to other beings. Very powerful consciousness complexes, of higher density intelligence and power, but residing in the dreggs of space and time, in their own little terrible corners of the infinite. Physicality is just a crystallization of the ray that dominates it. It is the same inner/outer planes etc in every density. So any plane less than what I have labeled "the higher astral" is oriented toward the negative or south energy pole, and anything higher is oriented towards the positive north energy pole. It is basically the middle point between positive and negative planes. So you might call that the plane of balance, or harmony. This doesn't make "lower planes" inherently evil, or any less useful of course for catalytic purposes, but it means that entropy, or chaos, has more and more sway the closer to the physical you get, and it is neutralized in the higher astral (things don't decay anymore, whereas in the lesser astral planes they do, slowly, but surely, just like the physical world albeit slower) and higher than that there is a tendency of energy towards order and harmony, rather, than an orientation towards disorder. There is "negentropy" (reversal of entropy).
Thankyou for your thoughts. I always appreciate your thoughtful inquiries.