01-21-2019, 08:15 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-21-2019, 09:56 PM by redchartreuse.)
(01-08-2019, 03:21 PM)Glow Wrote: What is actually learned from easy love? Everything is perfect or even mostly, and you can love others... well that's good because You are love so that makes perfect sense
For a lesson to be learned, it must neither be too easy, nor too hard. I understand that growth results from resistance, in this case suffering. But what I am attempting to discuss here is the possibility that maybe there is too much of it going on here in this particular environment.
If we were making a soup, and suffering were the salt, we have a damn salty soup here. Adding more salt seems... absurd.
Quote:But its hard, life is tough the world is cruel and people are so heartless. Now prove to me/you(we are one) you are love god that's a whole lot harder isn't it. Especially when the ones you are trying to love just hurt you over and over with increasing cruelty.
Yes, sure it is hard. And, once accomplished, perhaps something to be proud of and take a picture for one's spiritual mantle, so to speak. But so is climbing Mt. Everest. That doesn't mean that we should all climb the mountain, or that those of us who made some choice in the past (perhaps without all the pertinent information or necessary training or previous experience) shouldn't reconsider our previous choice, if it looks like we may not survive the trek, or that we likely aren't going to get out of the journey what we once thought we were going to get.
The question here, as relates back to preincarnative choices is: So can we choose differently now? Can we really choose differently? Because it seems like a really hard thing to do. Which is what causes me to question the kind of "programming" that might be lurking somewhere back in the recesses of my subconscious, or even in the collective subconscious.
Quote:Did you still manage to be love or did you turn dark. Wake up from that life, stayed loved, gave respite with your patent enduring love.
You grew. The love we are is now tested. Maybe time for a different lesson, or we go into a less veiled realm for a while to love in unveiled nuance.
Turned dark? well I am sure you are glad to be resting on space/time now, with all your other identities your soul has been, I swear we are such good company, it's good to be home, you are unveiled and see how you could have made it through, and stayed of love. It's ok we can focus now on being ship captains for 50 years till we run through all the stuff we want to encounter incarnated in that space/time.
Right, exactly. So I have already proven that I can keep my heart open- even if only a sliver- despite all these experiences and lessons. Is that enough for the universe? Or must I continually re-prove myself. And if so, to whom must I need proving?
Quote:It isn't a mystery, we are one eternal being in infinity. Why would trying to increase our capacity for love not seem like exactly what we would do. At least for a while.
I think you may be missing what I am trying to say here. Of course we would try to to that! I am not saying there is anything wrong or weird or strange or unusual about trying to increase our capacity for love.
What I am saying is that perhaps our methodology is faulty. We do not appear to be accomplishing what we set out to do. At least not the majority of us. Maybe we should consider other methods?
There is no shame in admitting that our experiment has failed. Admitting to failure is what makes a good scientist. Maybe a little of what's good for the scientist is also good for the soul.
Quote:We actually are all one. Lucifer means light bringer not because the energy is gentle and chill, it brings catalyst that affords the opportunity for growth, expansion, and increasing intensity and depth of light
But without the concomitant feeling of being loved, of being welcome, of being protected, of being cared for, this type of light produces... what? What is its fruit? I think we already all know the answer, yes?
Quote:Have you met people who have struggled like crazy through life really endured the s*** but stays gentle, tolerant, loving and compassionate? They are amazing.
Sure, they are amazing! These types of characters also make great fodder for blockbuster Hollywood movies. But maybe we shouldn't be so amazed anymore since there are so many examples of those kinds of people...? Why do we need to keep watching the same formulaic Hollywood story over and over again? Telling the same story over and over again, yet changing the characters and the costumes and the settings, does not really create that same "amazing" feeling as before. Yet we keep coming back for more.
Quote:Ever met a person who has been handed everything but is selfish, lacks empathy, can't really love people only use them for what they provide? Do you think a soul with eternity on it's hand isn't going to want to take the parts it has discovered of itself that are prone to being the entitled being and try to over many lives help them to be a bit more like the compassionate being.
Well, no. I've met a lot of people who are accused of being that, but when we look just a bit deeper we would invariably find that they haven't really been "handed everything."
I've been accused of being that. I'm a handsome, white, male, of higher-than-average intelligence, college educated, came from an upper middle class family with two parents who stayed married, and who always made sure I had adequate food, water, shelter, etc. So that means I have been "handed everything" right?
Little does anybody know that I was born with a physical deformity in my spine- right at the level of my heart- which has been not only a great source of pain throughout my body, but has prevented me from engaging in many social activities that revolve around intense physical activity. More than this, is has been a great source of fear since I was diagnosed with this condition as a young child, and basically told there was "nothing we can do about it" except maybe have back surgery some time down the road.
What is more- shortly after my being born, my mother suffered from post-partum depression. This was further exacerbated by living in a crude, backward, society that barely realized the condition, much less knew of a cure. So I failed to create a strong emotional bond with my mother during this critical period in my development. As a result, I have a very difficult time forming emotional bonds with anybody, and when I do, they tend to be heavily "tested" by betrayal and abandonment.
But if you look at me on the surface, seems I've been "handed everything" right? It's an illusion. Perhaps if people weren't so busy competing amongst themselves to see "who is suffering the most" we could all stop, take a good look around, and realize OK enough is enough.
Quote:The soul is love but it isn't tested and developed of depth and perfection. The veil and these incarnations develop the soul. Like a muscle. we all have muscles. But each isn't as strong or flexible. Of course that is only an analogy and maybe a bad one but a soul exists in time exploring infinite things and experiences creates more depth, nuance, more capacity to love. Better more deeper experiences.
The analogy is fine. But are you willing to stick with it if it doesn't fully support your point?
The veil and these incarnations- what with all the "free will" and concomitant suffering- were intended to develop the soul. According to Ra, our Solar Logos, having observed the outcomes of a number of creations from other Logoi, made a decision to drastically change the fundamental pattern used in the Creation at large (i.e. the galaxy, and perhaps beyond). The idea was to "speed up" the evolution of souls, although we never learned from Ra *why* our Solar Logos wanted to "speed up" a process that has all of eternity to complete.
Anyhow, the outcomes of this has been nuclear war, the destruction of two planets, failed harvests, and untold abuse and suffering of souls by other souls. Oh and there was one harvest of a very loving, but not very wise, society which post-graduation responded in a naive way to a call from beings on a nearby planet, and went there with the best of intentions, only to find some very sad and unfortunate unintended consequences as a result.
What if... the Solar Logos has actually changed its mind? Or what if it has called an end to this particular experiment? Yet... due to "free will" here we are recreating the same patterns over and over again, thinking this is what we are "supposed" to be doing?
What if..?? That's all I'm asking here.
Quote:The soul and silence can really help understanding this.
I have asked. My soul tells me that our suffering will continue, each of us on an individual basis, until we summon the power to make a call for it to end. Until we choose differently. My soul tells me that "learning to love" means also loving my human- my physical/emotional/mental complex- which means being kind to it, and not subjecting it to tortuous circumstances anymore.
And then there is this other voice. It tells me that I must continue suffering, or risk "missing the point". That the reason I feel pain in my body, or get mistreated by others, is because "I" have done something in the past and now must "suffer the consequences". And there are plenty of channeled sources that appear to be quite supportive of this other voice. But I note that they all seem to be hailing from somewhere in 4D....?
Here's the thing. The realization. At least for me. My physical/emotional/mental body complex... is innocent. It is an entity in its own right, and with its own sub-entities. And they didn't do anything to "deserve" additional suffering, outside of that which naturally occurs from simply attempting to exist in a physical world.
It's hard enough existing in a physical world- where other forms of life are continually striving to overtake your own. There is enough suffering "baked into" the basic pattern for physical life already for souls to "learn how to love" and whatever else they may be seeking through incarnation.