12-04-2018, 11:06 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-04-2018, 11:15 AM by redchartreuse.)
Thanks, everyone, for your persistence. As you may have surmised by now, the confusion I have been experiencing on this topic is thick, and its roots are apparently deep in my mind. I do intend to rectify the situation, and appreciate the assistance.
I read that other session in more detail, and it was very helpful. However, once again didn't quite hit the nail on the head for me.
peregrine- I think you are on the right track challenging my conception of "preincarnative choices" and it is well to visit this in more detail, as the question of "what" is programmed is more fundamental to "how" it is programmed.
Looking back at my OP, I see right off the bat one source of the confusion where I mention Q'uo along with other channeled sources. I appear to have been conflating what Q'uo has said on the topic with what other sources have said, and these ideas are not all in alignment.
Reading through the other session, I am reminded that the image given by Q'uo is like a traveler packing their bags for a trip. They are going to bring this and that. Perhaps they make a tentative plan to meet up with another traveler on the way. But the soul does not know before it embarks whether it will actually use those qualities, or whether it will cross paths with the other traveler on the road or not. Perhaps even- something the soul packed that it thought would be very helpful turned out not to be needed, or even a burden to the incarnating personality. Who knows?
In this sense, I can see why the question of "how" becomes more trivial... as none of these preincarnative choices are actually affecting physicality; causing objects to move around and people to make seemingly conscious choices that are actually scripted.
This idea makes sense to me.
However, it has become all jumbled up in my mind with similar ideas from the "new age" community at large, and various other channeled sources. Typically, these are the result of somebody having written asking why such-and such tragic thing happened to them, or somebody they know, and the source sort of blithely responds that this was "all part of the plan" and suggests the seeker accept the so-called "truth" of this.
This idea does not make sense to me. As it seems to be suggesting that all manner of tragedies and suffering- including violence done to the body- is actually what the soul intended to happen. Which further suggests we shouldn't attempt to avoid or reduce such suffering, because then we would be denying the very thing we came for. Something about this idea sits very wrong with me.
And hence my inner conflict.
Now- assuming I am now understanding Q'uo more clearly- generally speaking tragedy and suffering would never be "programmed" into an incarnation by a soul. The soul is the loving parent packing their little one a bag, and hoping upon hope, that they chose the right things to help their little one have a safe and joyful trip. Then the soul patiently waits with open and loving arms for its child to return and tell it all about the journey.
Souls do not generally program tragedies into the lives of their incarnations. At most- an apparently tragic situation may present itself due to the incarnated personality's repeated failure to process a certain catalysts. But even in these cases, the catalyst would have been presented so many times before, in so many more subtle ways, and perhaps it is sort of a "last ditch effort" to get a wayward personality back in alignment with its spiritual purpose. similar to how loving family members may stage an intervention on somebody nearly lost to addiction.
I think I can sense the fog beginning to lift here... but would appreciate any further comments on what I have written here. I want to make sure I have the correct idea in my mind.
For some reason as yet unapparent to me, I am still hung on the word "program". Perhaps what I would be seeking in that regard is akin to what G did toward the end of that session, when they flat out asked Q'uo what they mean when they use the word "power".
I read that other session in more detail, and it was very helpful. However, once again didn't quite hit the nail on the head for me.
peregrine- I think you are on the right track challenging my conception of "preincarnative choices" and it is well to visit this in more detail, as the question of "what" is programmed is more fundamental to "how" it is programmed.
Looking back at my OP, I see right off the bat one source of the confusion where I mention Q'uo along with other channeled sources. I appear to have been conflating what Q'uo has said on the topic with what other sources have said, and these ideas are not all in alignment.
Reading through the other session, I am reminded that the image given by Q'uo is like a traveler packing their bags for a trip. They are going to bring this and that. Perhaps they make a tentative plan to meet up with another traveler on the way. But the soul does not know before it embarks whether it will actually use those qualities, or whether it will cross paths with the other traveler on the road or not. Perhaps even- something the soul packed that it thought would be very helpful turned out not to be needed, or even a burden to the incarnating personality. Who knows?
In this sense, I can see why the question of "how" becomes more trivial... as none of these preincarnative choices are actually affecting physicality; causing objects to move around and people to make seemingly conscious choices that are actually scripted.
This idea makes sense to me.
However, it has become all jumbled up in my mind with similar ideas from the "new age" community at large, and various other channeled sources. Typically, these are the result of somebody having written asking why such-and such tragic thing happened to them, or somebody they know, and the source sort of blithely responds that this was "all part of the plan" and suggests the seeker accept the so-called "truth" of this.
This idea does not make sense to me. As it seems to be suggesting that all manner of tragedies and suffering- including violence done to the body- is actually what the soul intended to happen. Which further suggests we shouldn't attempt to avoid or reduce such suffering, because then we would be denying the very thing we came for. Something about this idea sits very wrong with me.
And hence my inner conflict.
Now- assuming I am now understanding Q'uo more clearly- generally speaking tragedy and suffering would never be "programmed" into an incarnation by a soul. The soul is the loving parent packing their little one a bag, and hoping upon hope, that they chose the right things to help their little one have a safe and joyful trip. Then the soul patiently waits with open and loving arms for its child to return and tell it all about the journey.
Souls do not generally program tragedies into the lives of their incarnations. At most- an apparently tragic situation may present itself due to the incarnated personality's repeated failure to process a certain catalysts. But even in these cases, the catalyst would have been presented so many times before, in so many more subtle ways, and perhaps it is sort of a "last ditch effort" to get a wayward personality back in alignment with its spiritual purpose. similar to how loving family members may stage an intervention on somebody nearly lost to addiction.
I think I can sense the fog beginning to lift here... but would appreciate any further comments on what I have written here. I want to make sure I have the correct idea in my mind.
For some reason as yet unapparent to me, I am still hung on the word "program". Perhaps what I would be seeking in that regard is akin to what G did toward the end of that session, when they flat out asked Q'uo what they mean when they use the word "power".