(06-21-2018, 05:06 PM)Taralie Peterdaughter Wrote:(06-21-2018, 02:46 PM)Elros Wrote:(06-21-2018, 12:37 PM)yossarian Wrote: I didn't say I was "beyond suffering" I said I was beyond a specific kind of existential despair and outrage with the creator for the existence of suffering. I'm not enlightened, but I did move from a place of being upset about this specific issue of "how could the creator create pain" to "oh.... now I get it"
Simillary, I also had strong moments of distilling the infinite principle of pain and, like with most things, what broke the paradoxical loop was to find acceptance toward the infinite nature of free will in its seeking derived from its being.
I think this is what "all is well" is about, not that wrongs will be righted but that everything is rooted in free will just as held in unity. Then there is no need to remain blocked or to desire control and rather the path of learn/teaching the love of acceptance becomes clear and one gains the ability to touch infinite intelligence in which all is known to be well and complete.
hmmm I am finding there is something I think is helpful to me in this and I want to understand you clearly. I am not sure what you mean by distilling the infinite principle of pain...do you mean?
I meant I saw that there is no end to pain. Any focus you can have upon pain can only miss most of what it is, looking where you yourself need to be looking at.
A light analogy I somewhat like to illustrate the infinite principle of what one may see as a hell is : how many times has the Creator stubbed its toe?
You can think to yourself you want to never experience this again, yet as Creator and by your infinite nature this is bound to happen over and over, what may seem perhaps even like near-infinite times only in this small world and the course of its history.
(06-21-2018, 05:06 PM)Taralie Peterdaughter Wrote: it became clearer in understanding to you? also to see if I get what you mean in how you broke the paradoxical loop...is are you saying you saw how to value free will as essential and that the seeking itself comes from its own being almost like it can't help it? or let me restate that the Creator has no choice but to seek itself through free will?
What became clearer in understanding is how it is both sought and needed. Through this, I shifted my focus from the paradox of rejection into seeking to accept and then I was allowed to distill the catalyst of pain into a newer perception that saw it under a different light and offered to not feel blocked contemplating the same.
I've always found this easier to do with myself. Generally, I can see a clear non-randomness to the events of my life just as it comes somewhat naturally to see my own need of catalysts when they occur. The above moment I referred to was exactly that, I was from get go aware of my own attraction of my catalyst of pain and from that made use of it to meditate on pain itself as it is reflected without myself. This made me feel a deep helplessness at how I had no control in regard to the pain of others and the vastness of it, which to me was truly infinite, and so I felt stuck wishing for all things to be without pain but I also knew the helplessness I felt sprang from the paradox of rejecting this aspect of existing. To find that all is well is an act of release, that you need not to be bound stuck blocked but may find to accept and allow your focus to shift, like taking a step of light.
There's many times I've reached very high states of mind in this life. In these states, it was not detachment that I felt in regard to the suffering contained in this world, more like crystalline awe and wonder at how they come to be and pass away also. I felt a certain madness at how deeply beautiful everything is, like my being here could not contain it. It is not detachment, because much more than you could will to look away you instead look deeper and deeper, radiating brighter in your polarized feedback rooted in the love of acceptance. This is because I could not just see things as I would normally see them as with a veil of confusion, and instead would see them within their actual context of existence. I think this is more the time/space view, where you are able to see any moment within the context of itself, how it was lead there and to where it goes, what hidden purpose and need there is to it. These were states where contemplating the most horrible of humans would only emulate a radiant love in myself, because that was just how beautiful these souls are when gazed upon by a sight of clarity that is not blinded by emotions of separation nor confusion.There is also a deep sovereignty to each entity, they are crowned beings, each with pure infinite deepness to what they are in every moment.
A concept I found often misunderstood on this forum is that of unity. It often seems like it should imply a state of harmony between separate things, when I believe it implies a perpetual state of completeness to what is contrasted into separation. White light is not white light because it holds the colors one can find a liking to wear. White light is white light because it holds all colors whole and complete in their full spectrum.
What if you were told that for anywhere to have a color the equivalent balance of the rest of the spectrum of color needs to be reflected also, should infinity then be rendered void?
Infinite intelligence knows that it shouldn't (in a synergetic way), but in its point of view it also knows the infinite intelligence to believe that it should.
(06-21-2018, 05:06 PM)Taralie Peterdaughter Wrote: that the seeking itself comes from its own being almost like it can't help it? or let me restate that the Creator has no choice but to seek itself through free will?
I think that's essentially it. All actions derive from a point of view and we (Creator) are bound to a point of view because we are.