05-06-2018, 06:54 PM
Ouspesnky does not do Gurdjieff justice. He actually describes the ray of creation incorrectly with that bit about digestion. He does get into it but lik I said , he uses the scale as a metaphor for digestion not the structure of reality (they function the same btw). Ouspensky would not talk about things that were going to hit that nerve of religion/creationism, Gurdjieff could have cared less who's feelings he hurt or offended, he often tried to do just that.
if you have read the fourth way , you're ready for the real thing. He only wrote two and a half books.
Gurdjieff does get into teh structure of creation but it is not his main thrust, it is just by the way this is the way things are, it is not that important to you since you can not change it's just good to know where you are in relation to things. The chapter Purgatory and any chapters that refer to Laws of World-creation and World-maintenance from Beelzebub's Tales to his Grandson is really worthwhile for describing the creation of the physical universe. It would take me an awful long time to work through that book and note the specific passages, and i don't think you would decipher them without reading up to them anyways. I read the book twice before I started to understand the language he invented.
I will sum up the Ray of creation..but it sounds like a description according to Ra.
All of the densities are an octave. within each density there are an octaves worth of subdivisions...ad infinidum
each of these levels has it's own laws with the laws from the density above it nested within that level. Each of these levels contains beings and cosmos that are specific to that level. Magic/miracles are using the law from a higher level hence giving the apperance of broken laws onthe lower level.
there is a force of evolution in which entities and energy working up the scale, there is a force of involution which is entities and and energy moving down the scale. As one moves up the scale and the number of laws lessen Grudjieff postulated that we may escape time or gravity, it is at this point that I come back to Ra and think,"hmm i may know something about these higher levels in detail that Gurdjieff could not see first hand." Ra definitely affirms Gurdjieffs teachings and vice versa. Gurdjieff understood these laws well enough he could postulate fairly well what one may encounter at a higher level. His "guesses" tend to match Ra's description, as well as a number of things that I came across in the Seth books on mass reality.
it is all there, I had a lot of fun reading that stuff. Gurdjieff is very hands on, you are always doing (or attempting to do something I should say) if you really get to it. It made me very very picky about what I choose to believe.
if you have read the fourth way , you're ready for the real thing. He only wrote two and a half books.
Gurdjieff does get into teh structure of creation but it is not his main thrust, it is just by the way this is the way things are, it is not that important to you since you can not change it's just good to know where you are in relation to things. The chapter Purgatory and any chapters that refer to Laws of World-creation and World-maintenance from Beelzebub's Tales to his Grandson is really worthwhile for describing the creation of the physical universe. It would take me an awful long time to work through that book and note the specific passages, and i don't think you would decipher them without reading up to them anyways. I read the book twice before I started to understand the language he invented.
I will sum up the Ray of creation..but it sounds like a description according to Ra.
All of the densities are an octave. within each density there are an octaves worth of subdivisions...ad infinidum
each of these levels has it's own laws with the laws from the density above it nested within that level. Each of these levels contains beings and cosmos that are specific to that level. Magic/miracles are using the law from a higher level hence giving the apperance of broken laws onthe lower level.
there is a force of evolution in which entities and energy working up the scale, there is a force of involution which is entities and and energy moving down the scale. As one moves up the scale and the number of laws lessen Grudjieff postulated that we may escape time or gravity, it is at this point that I come back to Ra and think,"hmm i may know something about these higher levels in detail that Gurdjieff could not see first hand." Ra definitely affirms Gurdjieffs teachings and vice versa. Gurdjieff understood these laws well enough he could postulate fairly well what one may encounter at a higher level. His "guesses" tend to match Ra's description, as well as a number of things that I came across in the Seth books on mass reality.
it is all there, I had a lot of fun reading that stuff. Gurdjieff is very hands on, you are always doing (or attempting to do something I should say) if you really get to it. It made me very very picky about what I choose to believe.