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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Spiritual Development & Metaphysical Matters David Wilcock

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    04-22-2009, 11:36 PM
    (04-22-2009, 02:44 PM)yossarian Wrote: The fact that the Ra material was received in a trance is immaterial because lots of dumb crap is received in a trance. Just the fact that someone goes into a trance does not lend credence to their material.

    To be clear, I never said that all trance channeled material was reliable, I only said that reading the methods used by Ra to communicate through Carla in a trance seems to me to be the most effective way to minimize distortions in the communication.

    Now, I wouldn't say that the group of Carla, Don, and Jim are the only ones that could, have, or will, ever be able to accomplish this feat, but I would be very surprised to find another such group or such high fidelity information.

    'Ali Quadi Wrote:The strong point for me about the man is that he supplies references in a very methodological almost scientific manner. So basically almost everything he says is checkable.

    I can't avoid the obvious dig at David's "pseudo-science". In this day and age of the internet , you can, I'm sure find sources that will support any contention that you may propose. The problem is finding those that have been independently verified and undergone rigorous peer review. As I scientist and engineer myself, I understand all too well the biases inherent in this process, but like democracy in spite of all it's shortcomings, it's still the best system we've found.

    All that aside, the real problem that I have with David's attempts to "prove" his points, is that, to me at least, they are all really unprovable by design of the Logos. There will always be legitimate reasons to cast doubt on any of the proofs, thus leaving room for doubt to anyone who wishes to doubt. If you don't wish to doubt, then why spend the time trying to verify it? Just accept it and move on. More likely than not, you'll find yourself somewhere in between, believing some of his assertions and doubting others. So either way don't you ultimately find the answer inside yourself as to which resonates with you, and what you will take to heart? Save yourself the time of trying to verify or validate David's proofs, very few of them will hold up to modern scientific scrutiny. That doesn't necessarily mean they're wrong, just that without becoming an expert in the various fields, you'll never be able to separate the wheat from the chaff. Ultimately, I don't expect to find proof of any of my foundational spiritual beliefs, but I also don't found any of them on transitory phenomena either.

    Sorry, for getting on my soapbox, I'll step down now.

    3D Sunset

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    David Wilcock - by Sirius - 04-20-2009, 07:54 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by yossarian - 04-20-2009, 10:16 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by 3D Sunset - 04-22-2009, 01:51 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Monica - 04-21-2009, 02:01 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by ayadew - 04-21-2009, 02:43 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Sirius - 04-21-2009, 08:42 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Monica - 04-21-2009, 08:33 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by peelstreetguy - 04-21-2009, 10:12 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Sirius - 04-22-2009, 07:03 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Monica - 04-22-2009, 11:36 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Eddie - 09-02-2009, 05:16 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Sirius - 04-22-2009, 12:39 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by airwaves - 04-22-2009, 01:38 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by yossarian - 04-22-2009, 02:44 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by 3D Sunset - 04-22-2009, 11:36 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Ali Quadir - 04-23-2009, 01:03 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Ali Quadir - 04-22-2009, 08:39 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by yossarian - 04-23-2009, 01:13 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Monica - 04-23-2009, 01:23 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by 3D Sunset - 04-23-2009, 10:34 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Monica - 04-23-2009, 11:07 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by yossarian - 04-23-2009, 11:07 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Monica - 04-23-2009, 02:44 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by 3D Sunset - 04-23-2009, 02:39 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Ali Quadir - 04-24-2009, 05:23 AM
    Paranormal acceptance. - by C-JEAN - 04-23-2009, 02:52 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by yossarian - 04-23-2009, 03:00 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by fairyfarmgirl - 04-23-2009, 03:15 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Phoenix - 04-24-2009, 12:39 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by yossarian - 04-24-2009, 01:57 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Monica - 04-24-2009, 02:11 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by 3D Sunset - 04-24-2009, 10:14 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by fairyfarmgirl - 04-24-2009, 10:38 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Monica - 04-24-2009, 11:41 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by yossarian - 04-24-2009, 12:20 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Monica - 04-24-2009, 01:20 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by yossarian - 04-24-2009, 02:59 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Phoenix - 04-26-2009, 11:37 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Ali Quadir - 04-26-2009, 02:11 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by DyerHarris - 04-27-2009, 09:44 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by yossarian - 04-28-2009, 03:35 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Ali Quadir - 04-28-2009, 05:20 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by yossarian - 04-28-2009, 01:00 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by ayadew - 04-28-2009, 01:20 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Monica - 04-28-2009, 01:22 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Richard - 04-28-2009, 03:20 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by bring4th_steve - 04-28-2009, 03:54 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Sirius - 04-28-2009, 04:05 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by yossarian - 04-28-2009, 04:45 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by yossarian - 04-28-2009, 06:08 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Monica - 04-29-2009, 12:30 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Richard - 05-01-2009, 04:39 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by yossarian - 04-29-2009, 02:25 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Monica - 04-29-2009, 10:46 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by ayadew - 04-29-2009, 02:40 AM
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    RE: David Wilcock - by Richard - 04-30-2009, 10:19 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Yoda1 - 04-30-2009, 07:44 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by yossarian - 05-01-2009, 11:27 AM
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    RE: David Wilcock - by 3D Sunset - 05-01-2009, 12:13 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by yossarian - 05-01-2009, 12:59 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by ayadew - 05-01-2009, 01:41 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by yossarian - 05-01-2009, 10:10 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by yossarian - 05-02-2009, 07:55 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by ayadew - 05-03-2009, 04:13 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by 3D Sunset - 05-06-2009, 10:11 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by yossarian - 05-07-2009, 05:34 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Quantum - 05-08-2009, 12:37 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by yossarian - 05-08-2009, 12:40 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Ali Quadir - 05-08-2009, 08:12 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by 3D Sunset - 05-08-2009, 09:56 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Monica - 05-08-2009, 02:29 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Quantum - 05-08-2009, 02:42 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by yossarian - 05-08-2009, 12:18 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by 3D Sunset - 05-08-2009, 01:01 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Monica - 05-08-2009, 03:50 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by yossarian - 05-08-2009, 01:26 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by 3D Sunset - 05-08-2009, 02:02 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Ali Quadir - 05-08-2009, 03:11 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by 3D Sunset - 05-08-2009, 05:18 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Phoenix - 05-10-2009, 09:42 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by 3D Sunset - 05-13-2009, 09:41 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by 3D Sunset - 05-13-2009, 05:21 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Quantum - 05-14-2009, 12:28 AM
    Who cares about the body? - by 3D Sunset - 05-18-2009, 12:04 PM
    RE: Who cares about the body? - by AppleSeed - 05-18-2009, 03:30 PM
    RE: Who cares about the body? - by Monica - 05-18-2009, 09:36 PM
    RE: Who cares about the body? - by Quantum - 05-20-2009, 12:03 AM
    RE: Who cares about the body? - by Ali Quadir - 05-20-2009, 06:06 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by fairyfarmgirl - 05-18-2009, 01:51 PM
    I'm sorry but, I'm done reading Mr.Wilcock. - by Turtle - 05-20-2009, 01:09 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Ali Quadir - 05-20-2009, 08:25 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Monica - 05-20-2009, 10:31 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Ali Quadir - 05-21-2009, 05:09 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Monica - 05-21-2009, 06:14 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Ali Quadir - 05-21-2009, 07:20 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Monica - 05-21-2009, 09:03 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Quantum - 05-20-2009, 10:32 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by xlsander - 05-21-2009, 01:43 PM
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    RE: David Wilcock - by Solo Maters - 05-28-2009, 03:23 PM
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    RE: David Wilcock - by Sirius - 06-08-2009, 10:59 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by βαθμιαίος - 06-04-2009, 11:07 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Eddie - 07-04-2009, 06:01 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Sirius - 07-05-2009, 07:18 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Ali Quadir - 07-05-2009, 12:33 PM
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    RE: David Wilcock - by Monica - 07-05-2009, 11:13 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Sirius - 07-07-2009, 08:23 AM
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    RE: David Wilcock - by fairyfarmgirl - 07-07-2009, 01:04 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by xlsander - 07-13-2009, 05:45 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Sirius - 07-13-2009, 07:51 AM
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    RE: David Wilcock - by Monica - 07-18-2009, 11:56 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by BrownEye - 07-18-2009, 02:28 AM
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    RE: David Wilcock - by ayadew - 07-19-2009, 12:09 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by MisterRabbit - 07-22-2009, 11:40 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by godexpressing - 08-23-2009, 11:06 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Ali Quadir - 08-24-2009, 07:40 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by godexpressing - 09-01-2009, 05:22 PM
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    RE: David Wilcock - by Quantum - 09-01-2009, 11:06 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Lorna - 09-02-2009, 06:24 AM
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    RE: David Wilcock - by Ali Quadir - 10-25-2009, 03:37 PM
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    RE: David Wilcock - by Monica - 10-25-2009, 05:42 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Ali Quadir - 10-25-2009, 05:14 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Questioner - 10-25-2009, 10:28 PM
    RE: David Wilcock - by xlsander - 10-26-2009, 07:17 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Questioner - 10-26-2009, 11:07 AM
    RE: David Wilcock - by Peregrinus - 11-10-2009, 12:52 AM
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