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    02-04-2018, 01:23 PM (This post was last modified: 02-04-2018, 01:24 PM by rva_jeremy.)
    loostudent Wrote:Why is it so hard for us (me included) to give up meat?

    This may draw upon my personal experience to a distorting extent, but I think it's mostly because one's dietary practice tends to gravitate towards the path of least resistance, as do most behaviors in society. Most of us carnivores would not be going out to find meat if we lived in mostly vegetarian parts of the world. I really think it's that simple, and while it's not an insurmountable barrier to making different choices, it is important that we understand it has a social dimension beyond "what I think is right".

    I think this is why you see a great deal of camaraderie on the vegetarian/vegan side but not a similar espirit de corps on the carnivore side: they understand the social cost borne by those who tread outside the lines. We carnivores don't like being reminded of the costs of our often unthinking choices as we blindly follow the social norm, and the vegetarians don't like being reminded of their marginal status relative to the way the machine of society operates.  It is almost completely balanced to everybody's dissatisfaction.

    There's an energy involved with our vibration encountering the interference of the social complex's vibration. It is powerful because we often fail to appreciate how formed we are by it, how tentative our individual identities are, how much self-knowledge and true self-love it takes to accept everything around you while making your own choices. 

    And here's the thing: I think that yellow ray energy is called upon just as purely by resistance to the complex as it is by submission to it. Even when you direct your will against the prevailing norm, you are still energizing it and still making yourself subject to it. None of us are particularly happy with the social complex right now, but because the complex provides no discrete target to attack or modify, no discrete mind that we can communicate with (yet), we find ourselves unable to do anything but attack individuals outside the consensus or defend ourselves within the consensus. The real substance of the problem is that the consensus needs to change, but the tools at our disposal to change the consensus seem so unequal to the task.

    This is precisely why I keep chiming in with a meta-analysis of this frequent topic of conversation: to underline the degree to which third density problems cannot be resolved with third density thinking, and that these issues have their resolution in a different capacity of thought, wisdom, and empathy than any of us seem to be capable of really calling upon now.  We're not going to solve these problems that pinch us so, per se: we're going to love and accept our way towards a different consensus, and that's not going to be achieved by winning an argument with any single person or group of people.

    So the best way to deal with these things, in my humble opinion, is not by doubling down on the losing game of third density consciousness and society, where all these arguments seem to congregate.  Instead, beginning to practice the thinking and behaviors of fourth density consciousness and society is what really puts something new into the mix and can fairly expect something new to arise out of it. We need to practice living fourth density lives in third density. To put it more simply, our greatest argument is our ability to set an example.

    All just my opinion Smile
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    Confederation and meat consumption - by Infinite - 01-29-2018, 02:14 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Cyan - 01-29-2018, 02:34 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by xise - 01-29-2018, 03:06 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Jade - 01-29-2018, 03:46 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by anagogy - 01-29-2018, 04:39 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Jade - 01-29-2018, 05:33 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by anagogy - 01-29-2018, 06:02 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Jade - 01-30-2018, 11:16 AM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by anagogy - 01-30-2018, 02:38 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Minyatur - 01-30-2018, 03:34 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Diana - 01-30-2018, 03:39 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Aion - 01-30-2018, 04:34 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 01-30-2018, 08:53 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Jade - 01-30-2018, 04:18 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by anagogy - 01-30-2018, 04:42 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Jade - 01-30-2018, 06:55 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by xise - 01-30-2018, 11:32 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by anagogy - 01-31-2018, 04:13 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Diana - 01-31-2018, 05:09 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by anagogy - 01-31-2018, 05:38 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by xise - 01-31-2018, 08:47 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Minyatur - 01-31-2018, 08:48 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by isis - 01-31-2018, 01:13 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Louisabell - 01-30-2018, 04:53 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Diana - 01-30-2018, 05:17 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Louisabell - 01-30-2018, 05:26 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Diana - 01-30-2018, 06:49 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Louisabell - 11-04-2018, 01:39 AM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Jade - 01-30-2018, 07:13 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Minyatur - 01-29-2018, 04:05 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by rva_jeremy - 01-29-2018, 04:30 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Diana - 01-29-2018, 05:39 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Highrculling - 01-30-2018, 12:04 AM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 01-30-2018, 03:10 AM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Infinite - 01-30-2018, 07:09 AM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Diana - 01-30-2018, 12:26 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Infinite - 02-01-2018, 08:05 AM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by kristina - 05-01-2019, 04:19 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Diana - 05-02-2019, 10:44 AM
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    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Aion - 01-30-2018, 03:08 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Nía - 01-30-2018, 03:25 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Louisabell - 01-30-2018, 03:41 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 01-31-2018, 03:47 PM
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    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 01-31-2018, 10:06 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Jim Kent + - 02-01-2018, 10:54 AM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Diana - 02-01-2018, 11:57 AM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Minyatur - 02-01-2018, 12:11 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Minyatur - 03-05-2018, 02:38 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by unity100 - 02-01-2018, 10:59 AM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Jim Kent + - 02-01-2018, 12:08 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Glow - 02-01-2018, 01:46 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Diana - 02-01-2018, 03:35 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 02-01-2018, 02:28 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Jim Kent + - 02-01-2018, 02:56 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Diana - 02-01-2018, 03:46 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Jade - 02-01-2018, 02:45 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by anagogy - 02-01-2018, 05:19 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Jade - 02-02-2018, 12:54 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Minyatur - 02-02-2018, 01:53 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Jade - 02-02-2018, 02:37 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by anagogy - 02-02-2018, 06:20 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by isis - 02-15-2018, 03:15 AM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Nía - 02-15-2018, 05:41 AM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 02-01-2018, 05:28 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by loostudent - 02-02-2018, 04:35 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 02-02-2018, 04:58 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by rva_jeremy - 02-02-2018, 07:28 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Diana - 02-02-2018, 09:13 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by rva_jeremy - 02-03-2018, 02:12 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 02-03-2018, 12:27 AM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Nía - 02-03-2018, 06:21 AM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Diana - 02-03-2018, 12:57 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 02-03-2018, 03:19 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Diana - 02-03-2018, 01:35 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Nicholas - 02-03-2018, 05:58 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Jim Kent + - 02-03-2018, 02:02 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by xise - 02-03-2018, 02:37 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Jim Kent + - 02-03-2018, 02:51 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by xise - 02-03-2018, 02:54 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Jim Kent + - 02-03-2018, 03:08 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Diana - 02-03-2018, 02:46 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Jim Kent + - 02-03-2018, 03:04 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Diana - 02-03-2018, 03:14 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Nía - 02-03-2018, 03:20 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Jim Kent + - 02-03-2018, 03:22 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Jim Kent + - 02-03-2018, 03:16 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by loostudent - 02-04-2018, 12:25 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Jim Kent + - 02-04-2018, 01:08 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 02-03-2018, 03:29 PM
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    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Nicholas - 02-03-2018, 06:40 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Glow - 02-04-2018, 11:37 AM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by loostudent - 02-04-2018, 12:46 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Jim Kent + - 02-04-2018, 12:54 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Diana - 02-05-2018, 11:48 AM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by rva_jeremy - 02-04-2018, 01:23 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by loostudent - 02-04-2018, 06:30 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by xise - 02-04-2018, 06:43 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 02-04-2018, 02:31 PM
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    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by rva_jeremy - 02-05-2018, 05:23 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by Nía - 02-09-2018, 05:12 AM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by unity100 - 02-13-2018, 07:16 PM
    RE: Confederation and meat consumption - by rva_jeremy - 02-15-2018, 10:52 AM
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