01-31-2018, 08:47 PM
(01-31-2018, 05:38 PM)anagogy Wrote: Steps can be taken to make suffering less. These are improvements that can be made to agricultural industry, without the misconceived rule that no being shall ever partake of animal protein. If vegetables experience pain (and there is some evidence to suggest they do), they probably suffer far more than animals because they don't die for a long time after you cut them up, they die very very slowly.
If you believe plants feel pain or suffer in some way, you are arguing for a plant-only diet, because you cause more plants to die when you eat meat.
I can post the studies about agriculture land use or carbon footprint that shows this point if you're truly interested?
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(01-30-2018, 11:32 PM)xise Wrote:(01-30-2018, 06:55 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:(01-30-2018, 04:42 PM)anagogy Wrote: Whether you eat plants, or you eat animals, you are taking the lives of second density consciousness complexes (in fact, one animal can feed someone for many months, whereas with most plants, it takes many many many lives to generate the same amount of caloric fuel). Unless you are eating a strictly fruitarian diet, which is horrible for your teeth (a clue to the unnaturalness of such a diet -- when the food destroys an organisms teeth, it is not the natural diet to that species.
We've had this discussion before, anagogy. Plants don't have to die for their edible parts to be harvested. Many ARE harvested at the end of their lifecycle, but a tomato plant can live in my garden for many months and feed me every day without dying. You say that an animal "can" feed one person for many months, but this is NOT how 99.999% of humans eat. We take the choice cuts and grind the rest into dog food. So while in "theory" it might be "more ethical" to eat animals, in practice it is definitely not.
It takes 30 of those precious plant calories to convert into 1 animal flesh calorie. How again is there less death with the animal slaughter method?
This line of reasoning that you have to kill the same or a similar number of plants or animals regardless of what you consume has been shown to be misinformed (and has been discussed in other threads).
More plants die for every meat calorie than die if you consumed plants straight as calories.
This has been shown repeatedly in agriculture land use studies and has been studied extensively also in carbon footprint studies (animal calories take up significantly more carbon footprint because they take more resources to create than plant calories).